Comments on: Could a hypothetical starting five of former Pistons make the playoffs in the East? http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 22 May 2013 21:59:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-12216 Dan Feldman Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:17:11 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-12216 <p>Frankie, your argument is based on a total lack of faith in NBA coaches. I can't <em>prove</em> that you're wrong, but do you really have no faith in the Pistons' coaches?</p> <p>Afflalo saw minutes on playoff teams. Summers isn't playing for bad teams. Is that just a coincidence?</p> <p>I've never gotten playing time. Does that mean I might be good enough for a rotation spot? You don't know otherwise.</p> <p>In his limited minutes Affalo showed ability, and that's part of the reason his playing time increased. Summers has never showed that, and that's part of the reason he hasn't played more.</p> Frankie, your argument is based on a total lack of faith in NBA coaches. I can’t prove that you’re wrong, but do you really have no faith in the Pistons’ coaches?

Afflalo saw minutes on playoff teams. Summers isn’t playing for bad teams. Is that just a coincidence?

I’ve never gotten playing time. Does that mean I might be good enough for a rotation spot? You don’t know otherwise.

In his limited minutes Affalo showed ability, and that’s part of the reason his playing time increased. Summers has never showed that, and that’s part of the reason he hasn’t played more.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11331 Patrick Hayes Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:20:20 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11331 <p>@Frankie D:</p> <p>"all of the guys who regularly post there got a good laugh out of it, myself included. but a blogger, without provocation calls a commenter a “know-it-all” out of the clear blue, and that is somehow appropriate. and i’m the one who is disagreeable?"</p> <p>Yeah, you're disagreeable. These are the things I know about you as a Pistons fan:</p> <p>- You think Joe Dumars should be fired.</p> <p>- You think Tracy McGrady has been terrible this season.</p> <p>- You think DaJuan Summers played "well" in two straight preseasons and summer leagues when he shot below 40 percent.</p> <p>When thoughts contrary to those things have been posted here, you post hundreds and hundreds of words in diatribes responding. Yes, that makes you disagreeable. I didn't mean it as an insult, it just is what it is. You disagreeable. So am I. BFD.</p> <p> </p> @Frankie D:

“all of the guys who regularly post there got a good laugh out of it, myself included.
but a blogger, without provocation calls a commenter a “know-it-all” out of the clear blue, and that is somehow appropriate.
and i’m the one who is disagreeable?”

Yeah, you’re disagreeable. These are the things I know about you as a Pistons fan:

- You think Joe Dumars should be fired.

- You think Tracy McGrady has been terrible this season.

- You think DaJuan Summers played “well” in two straight preseasons and summer leagues when he shot below 40 percent.

When thoughts contrary to those things have been posted here, you post hundreds and hundreds of words in diatribes responding. Yes, that makes you disagreeable. I didn’t mean it as an insult, it just is what it is. You disagreeable. So am I. BFD.

 

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11327 Patrick Hayes Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:06:37 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11327 I'm not necessarily saying Summers will never make it. He might. But it has been very clear in the limited minutes he's played vs. those of Daye and Jerebko that those two players offer more than Summers. Jerebko got on the court last year because he played defense and he was a really good offensive rebounder. Daye got on the court this year because he had a great preseason and he's shown a diverse offensive repertoire. Has Summers ever shown he can put it on the floor? Rebound? I don't see any evidence. His shooting percentages have been really poor, which you do not seem to acknowledge. As nuetes points out, he has been weak on the boards and doesn't get assists based on per-minute stats. Summers is a prospect because he's big, strong, athletic and he has range. But he's still exactly the same player now that he was at Georgetown -- a guy with physical gifts who doesn't really do one thing enough to be considered a role player. Jerebko and Daye both have individual things they do well enough to warrant some minutes. And your whole McGrady vs. Summers argument doesn't cut it for me. At the very least, McGrady has shown that he's still a very good passer, he handles the ball well enough for the Pistons to have won a game with McGrady playing a lot of the PG minutes that game and, at this point in their careers, McGrady has a higher basketball IQ than Summers by far. There's no doubt that the Pistons are better (not that they're good with either) with McGrady in the game than they would be with Summers. I’m not necessarily saying Summers will never make it. He might. But it has been very clear in the limited minutes he’s played vs. those of Daye and Jerebko that those two players offer more than Summers.
Jerebko got on the court last year because he played defense and he was a really good offensive rebounder. Daye got on the court this year because he had a great preseason and he’s shown a diverse offensive repertoire. Has Summers ever shown he can put it on the floor? Rebound? I don’t see any evidence.
His shooting percentages have been really poor, which you do not seem to acknowledge. As nuetes points out, he has been weak on the boards and doesn’t get assists based on per-minute stats.
Summers is a prospect because he’s big, strong, athletic and he has range. But he’s still exactly the same player now that he was at Georgetown — a guy with physical gifts who doesn’t really do one thing enough to be considered a role player. Jerebko and Daye both have individual things they do well enough to warrant some minutes.
And your whole McGrady vs. Summers argument doesn’t cut it for me. At the very least, McGrady has shown that he’s still a very good passer, he handles the ball well enough for the Pistons to have won a game with McGrady playing a lot of the PG minutes that game and, at this point in their careers, McGrady has a higher basketball IQ than Summers by far. There’s no doubt that the Pistons are better (not that they’re good with either) with McGrady in the game than they would be with Summers.

]]> By: nuetes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11317 nuetes Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:31:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11317 Afflalo was a guy that carved a niche his first year in the league. He was a guy fans were happy to see on the court locking dudes down defensively and getting up in their grills. That's how you make it in the NBA if your not a star player, you fill niches. or roles as PCB would put them. Afflalo worked hard on his 3 point shot and he's not a bad ball handler either. He's turned himself into a guy you can have on the court on both ends of the floor. He's not going to star on offense, but his overall game is very good imo.   What is Summers good at? Anything? His 3 point shot is his only redeeming trait. He shot a higher % from 3 than his overall FG% last season. His shot selection isn't all that great, and he contributes nothing else. He can't handle the ball that well. He hasn't shown that he can be a lockdown defender, even with his size and athletic looking body. It's up to Summers to hone some skill that he can use to carve his own niche in the league, but if he remains below average at doing everything he simply won't be an NBA player very long. Afflalo was a guy that carved a niche his first year in the league. He was a guy fans were happy to see on the court locking dudes down defensively and getting up in their grills. That’s how you make it in the NBA if your not a star player, you fill niches. or roles as PCB would put them. Afflalo worked hard on his 3 point shot and he’s not a bad ball handler either. He’s turned himself into a guy you can have on the court on both ends of the floor. He’s not going to star on offense, but his overall game is very good imo.
 
What is Summers good at? Anything? His 3 point shot is his only redeeming trait. He shot a higher % from 3 than his overall FG% last season. His shot selection isn’t all that great, and he contributes nothing else. He can’t handle the ball that well. He hasn’t shown that he can be a lockdown defender, even with his size and athletic looking body. It’s up to Summers to hone some skill that he can use to carve his own niche in the league, but if he remains below average at doing everything he simply won’t be an NBA player very long.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11315 Laser Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:52:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11315 i've long been a defender of dajuan summers. i felt like whenever he took the floor he did something good, and i never thought he had a fair shake. the knock on him is that he takes bad shots. good stroke, big athletic body, but takes bad shots.   i always thought he deserved playing time, but there was at least one performance where he took a ton of shots and made like one of them. it was a poor enough performance that, against my better judgment, i feel like detroit is probably right to keep him out of the rotation when we have so many other options at SF.   that said, i think he never got a fair shake here. when you (1) draft three small forwards at once, (2) fail to trade the player they're supposed to replace, (3) have so many shooting guards that they can't play enough minutes without sliding one of them over to SF, and (4) sign another SF with a big name for no obvious reason, somebody's getting squeezed out. summers just happens to be that casualty. and given the alternative, i think you just have to live with it. i accept that.   the team failed summers by drafting three guys at the same position. they gave themselves a good shot at finding a suitable replacement for tayshaun, but they made damn sure they wouldn't end up with three rotation players. but the mistake was made during the draft.   sort of like how any game the pistons play against playoff teams this year were lost in the offseason when joe kept a team together that can't compete. i’ve long been a defender of dajuan summers. i felt like whenever he took the floor he did something good, and i never thought he had a fair shake. the knock on him is that he takes bad shots. good stroke, big athletic body, but takes bad shots.
 
i always thought he deserved playing time, but there was at least one performance where he took a ton of shots and made like one of them. it was a poor enough performance that, against my better judgment, i feel like detroit is probably right to keep him out of the rotation when we have so many other options at SF.
 
that said, i think he never got a fair shake here. when you (1) draft three small forwards at once, (2) fail to trade the player they’re supposed to replace, (3) have so many shooting guards that they can’t play enough minutes without sliding one of them over to SF, and (4) sign another SF with a big name for no obvious reason, somebody’s getting squeezed out. summers just happens to be that casualty. and given the alternative, i think you just have to live with it. i accept that.
 
the team failed summers by drafting three guys at the same position. they gave themselves a good shot at finding a suitable replacement for tayshaun, but they made damn sure they wouldn’t end up with three rotation players. but the mistake was made during the draft.
 
sort of like how any game the pistons play against playoff teams this year were lost in the offseason when joe kept a team together that can’t compete.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11310 frankie d Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:28:23 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11310 oh...so you acknowledge that he has immense physical gifts, but you just know by virtue of ....what?...that he is not going to be a player. pure conjecture... which is exactly my point. you are expressing your opinion about summers. fine.  you are certainly entitled to it. but it is still nothing but your opinion. my approach? i'd prefer that he either prove or disprove his worthiness on the basketball court.  on my basketball team, i'd love to have a 6'9", 245 lb physical player who can hit .36% on his 3 pointers.  and i would certainly give that player a shot to either prove or disprove that he could not contribute. i also find it ironic that someone who seemingly is so infatuated with stats and numbers would put any credence in the numbers related to summers.  there is such a small sample that it is impossible to glean anything meaningful from them from a statistical point of view. the pistons recent record of handling their young players shows that they have not been ready to give young players that kind of opportunity. this is what the pistons themselves said about summers: "The 2009 second-rounder out of Georgetown, Summers is a natural scorer with deep shooting range and an ideal NBA physique who spent the summer working on his ballhandling to better make use of his physical gifts by getting into the paint. “The only way you can create plays is if you have good ballhandling skills,” he said. “It’s just that simple. Being able to control the ball and change speeds with it, go fast with it and then slow and control it at the same time is important. It’s both hands. I want them to be identical so you can’t tell which is my dominant hand.” “The thing with him is just his confidence,” Sullivan said. “It’s hard. But he’s a solid pro. He’s got a chance to be a really good player. He’s got unique skills as a pro – a 6-8, strong, athletic guy who can score. I don’t know if he’s a three or a four, but I know he’s a forward and he presents a lot of problems for the guys who have to guard him. “He can score off the elbows, he can score in the post, he can defend, he can rebound. We were watching film the other day and he was defending Wade. We were like, ‘Who’s that? Oh, that’s DaJuan – guarding a guy like that!’ He’s the perfect-sized guy to be able to defend players like that and it all goes back to confidence.” http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/on_the_rebound_100920.html gee...sounds like a player who just might be a "solid pro" in the team's own words, if given a shot.  wonder why he doesn't get a chance to play? might have something to do with signing hobbled vets who play the same position. and, you also proved my point about dumars. he is not the same gm that he was years ago. years ago, he built a title team in an way that established him as one of the, if not the, best gms in the league. unfortunately, those days are long gone and instead, he's been doing the dumb things that are too numerous to get into at this point. finally - and i'm through with summers - but he is simply an example of a disturbing attitude.  drafting talented players, letting them languish on the bench and then dumping them for next to nothing.  and i predict that he will be another example of that kind of young guy who goes elsewhere and carves out a niche in the league. ironically, this site had a post that featured some of the players who would fit into that description, and you balked when i included summers in that group. again, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, though i continue to maintain that there is little, if any evidence to support your claim. and obviously, the pistons themselves see real value in the guy, even if they haven't seen fit to give him a legitmate shot. oh…so you acknowledge that he has immense physical gifts, but you just know by virtue of ….what?…that he is not going to be a player.
pure conjecture… which is exactly my point.
you are expressing your opinion about summers.
fine.  you are certainly entitled to it. but it is still nothing but your opinion.
my approach? i’d prefer that he either prove or disprove his worthiness on the basketball court.  on my basketball team, i’d love to have a 6’9″, 245 lb physical player who can hit .36% on his 3 pointers.  and i would certainly give that player a shot to either prove or disprove that he could not contribute.
i also find it ironic that someone who seemingly is so infatuated with stats and numbers would put any credence in the numbers related to summers.  there is such a small sample that it is impossible to glean anything meaningful from them from a statistical point of view.
the pistons recent record of handling their young players shows that they have not been ready to give young players that kind of opportunity.
this is what the pistons themselves said about summers:
“The 2009 second-rounder out of Georgetown, Summers is a natural scorer with deep shooting range and an ideal NBA physique who spent the summer working on his ballhandling to better make use of his physical gifts by getting into the paint.
“The only way you can create plays is if you have good ballhandling skills,” he said. “It’s just that simple. Being able to control the ball and change speeds with it, go fast with it and then slow and control it at the same time is important. It’s both hands. I want them to be identical so you can’t tell which is my dominant hand.”
“The thing with him is just his confidence,” Sullivan said. “It’s hard. But he’s a solid pro. He’s got a chance to be a really good player. He’s got unique skills as a pro – a 6-8, strong, athletic guy who can score. I don’t know if he’s a three or a four, but I know he’s a forward and he presents a lot of problems for the guys who have to guard him.
“He can score off the elbows, he can score in the post, he can defend, he can rebound. We were watching film the other day and he was defending Wade. We were like, ‘Who’s that? Oh, that’s DaJuan – guarding a guy like that!’ He’s the perfect-sized guy to be able to defend players like that and it all goes back to confidence.”
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/on_the_rebound_100920.html
gee…sounds like a player who just might be a “solid pro” in the team’s own words, if given a shot.  wonder why he doesn’t get a chance to play?
might have something to do with signing hobbled vets who play the same position.
and, you also proved my point about dumars.
he is not the same gm that he was years ago.
years ago, he built a title team in an way that established him as one of the, if not the, best gms in the league.
unfortunately, those days are long gone and instead, he’s been doing the dumb things that are too numerous to get into at this point.
finally – and i’m through with summers – but he is simply an example of a disturbing attitude.  drafting talented players, letting them languish on the bench and then dumping them for next to nothing.  and i predict that he will be another example of that kind of young guy who goes elsewhere and carves out a niche in the league.
ironically, this site had a post that featured some of the players who would fit into that description, and you balked when i included summers in that group.
again, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, though i continue to maintain that there is little, if any evidence to support your claim.
and obviously, the pistons themselves see real value in the guy, even if they haven’t seen fit to give him a legitmate shot.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11308 Patrick Hayes Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:38:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11308 @frankie d: "funny that all of the instances where joe d did anything of value with young players are from what…6 or 7 years ago? got any more recent examples?" Nope. I don't. This was your original comment: "when has joe d made such an easy transaction involving a young player, one where he has turned that young player into a decent asset, like a good player – camby – or a first round draft choice?" Note that your original comment wasn't "Name a time in the last three years he has done this." He's made at least seven trades similar to the ones you described in your love letter to Portland. So your statement, the one I responded to, is not an accurate one. As for Afflalo, yeah, he shot it poorly as a rookie. And you know what he did? He was a gym rat and he improved from 20 percent from three to 40 percent. Summers put up pretty much the same numbers in summer league/preseason from year one to year two. Afflalo is not going to be a star player. But he's made himself into a very good starting caliber player in the NBA because he focused on two particular skills that make him valuable: he's among the league's best 3-point shooters and he's a good defensive player. Summers has no skill that is sharp enough to get him on the court. He can do some things OK. But until he makes his 3-pointer so consistent that teams have to get him on the court, or until he uses his immense physical gifts to become a lockdown defender, he's not getting on a court for anyone. @frankie d:
“funny that all of the instances where joe d did anything of value with young players are from what…6 or 7 years ago?
got any more recent examples?”
Nope. I don’t. This was your original comment: “when has joe d made such an easy transaction involving a young player, one where he has turned that young player into a decent asset, like a good player – camby – or a first round draft choice?”
Note that your original comment wasn’t “Name a time in the last three years he has done this.”
He’s made at least seven trades similar to the ones you described in your love letter to Portland. So your statement, the one I responded to, is not an accurate one.
As for Afflalo, yeah, he shot it poorly as a rookie. And you know what he did? He was a gym rat and he improved from 20 percent from three to 40 percent. Summers put up pretty much the same numbers in summer league/preseason from year one to year two.
Afflalo is not going to be a star player. But he’s made himself into a very good starting caliber player in the NBA because he focused on two particular skills that make him valuable: he’s among the league’s best 3-point shooters and he’s a good defensive player.
Summers has no skill that is sharp enough to get him on the court. He can do some things OK. But until he makes his 3-pointer so consistent that teams have to get him on the court, or until he uses his immense physical gifts to become a lockdown defender, he’s not getting on a court for anyone.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11306 frankie d Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:34:39 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11306 and just so the record is clear, this is what YOU posted just recently: Friend of PP Mike Payne (From <a href="http://www.detroitbadboys.com/" rel="nofollow">Detroit Bad Boys</a>) <a href="../../tracy-mcgradys-reverse-dunk-just-a-sign-of-things-to-come/" rel="nofollow">pointed out</a>, despite the <a href="../../tracy-mcgradys-reverse-dunk-just-a-sign-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-10986" rel="nofollow">protests of know-it-all commenter Frankie D</a>..." i had not read the site for a few days, but someone at the pistons' news forum alerted all the forumites about the comment so i came back over to check it out.  all of the guys who regularly post there got a good laugh out of it, myself included. but a blogger, without provocation calls a commenter a "know-it-all" out of the clear blue, and that is somehow appropriate. and i'm the one who is disagreeable?... and just so the record is clear, this is what YOU posted just recently:
Friend of PP Mike Payne (From Detroit Bad Boys) pointed out, despite the protests of know-it-all commenter Frankie D…”
i had not read the site for a few days, but someone at the pistons’ news forum alerted all the forumites about the comment so i came back over to check it out.  all of the guys who regularly post there got a good laugh out of it, myself included.
but a blogger, without provocation calls a commenter a “know-it-all” out of the clear blue, and that is somehow appropriate.
and i’m the one who is disagreeable?…

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11303 frankie d Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:18:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11303 "And Afflalo has become one of the best 3-point shooters in the league in Denver. Was there evidence he’d do that in Detroit? Yep. He shot 40 percent from three his second season with the Pistons." gee, summers was a rookie last year.  i wonder why you would bring up afflalo's stats from his second year and not make a mention of his rookie stats, the stats most relevant to any comparison to a ROOKIE summers. common sense says that one compares apples to apples, which would be rookie years between two players, if one is going to argue that one player showed certain potential while another did not show any potential. let's take a look at the respective numbers from the rookie years of afflalo and summers, which as any fair person would agree is what is most similar. afflalo - .208 3 point shooting percentage, 3.7 points per game per 36 minutes. summers - .357 on 3's and a 11.9 points per game over 36 minutes. btw, dayes numbers are .305 and 13.7. this is what you argued: "There was plenty of evidence to suggest that both Arron Afflalo and Amir Johnson could be effective given the proper PT.  Summers just hasn’t established that evidence, and his inability to carve himself a spot in the rotation (last year especially) suggests that he’s not getting it done in practice..." so if this is part of the evidence that suggests that afflalo could be effective, and the similar evidence from summers is actually BETTER what does that say about your contention that summers simply has not established that evidence? i think the answer is clear. and i'm not disagreeable at all.  while i made an intemperate, personal slam a few weeks ago, i've acknowledged that such a move was a mistake and stuck to BB since. i'm a basketball fan.  a detroit pistons' basketball fan and i read just about everything i can about the pistons. even stuff i don't necessarily agree with or like.  one learns quite a bit from reading as much as one can. what i can see, however, is that you get frustrated when someone - someone who probably knows more about basketball than you - can come back at you with arguments that you cannot answer and therefore choose to either distort or ignore. imho, the disagreeable voice here is yours.  i'm talking basketball; you are engaging in ad hominem attacks to divert attention from the fact that you cannot support the arguments you've made. certainly your prerogative, but it's pretty obvious to anyone following this exchange. and just for the record, in case you prevent me from accessing your site any longer, i'm a huge afflalo fan - and a big amir fan - and think that both could have been a huge part of a revitalized detroit team.  imho, if afflalo was a starter, with amir a 25 minute a game rotation player, this pistons' team would be much, much better. imho, afflalo was the guy who should have been the leader of the new generation of pistons, a guy who set the tone and established the team's identity. just my opinion...     “And Afflalo has become one of the best 3-point shooters in the league in Denver. Was there evidence he’d do that in Detroit? Yep. He shot 40 percent from three his second season with the Pistons.”
gee, summers was a rookie last year.  i wonder why you would bring up afflalo’s stats from his second year and not make a mention of his rookie stats, the stats most relevant to any comparison to a ROOKIE summers.
common sense says that one compares apples to apples, which would be rookie years between two players, if one is going to argue that one player showed certain potential while another did not show any potential.
let’s take a look at the respective numbers from the rookie years of afflalo and summers, which as any fair person would agree is what is most similar.
afflalo – .208 3 point shooting percentage, 3.7 points per game per 36 minutes.
summers – .357 on 3′s and a 11.9 points per game over 36 minutes.
btw, dayes numbers are .305 and 13.7.
this is what you argued:
“There was plenty of evidence to suggest that both Arron Afflalo and Amir Johnson could be effective given the proper PT.  Summers just hasn’t established that evidence, and his inability to carve himself a spot in the rotation (last year especially) suggests that he’s not getting it done in practice…”
so if this is part of the evidence that suggests that afflalo could be effective, and the similar evidence from summers is actually BETTER what does that say about your contention that summers simply has not established that evidence?
i think the answer is clear.
and i’m not disagreeable at all.  while i made an intemperate, personal slam a few weeks ago, i’ve acknowledged that such a move was a mistake and stuck to BB since.
i’m a basketball fan.  a detroit pistons’ basketball fan and i read just about everything i can about the pistons. even stuff i don’t necessarily agree with or like.  one learns quite a bit from reading as much as one can.
what i can see, however, is that you get frustrated when someone – someone who probably knows more about basketball than you – can come back at you with arguments that you cannot answer and therefore choose to either distort or ignore.
imho, the disagreeable voice here is yours.  i’m talking basketball; you are engaging in ad hominem attacks to divert attention from the fact that you cannot support the arguments you’ve made.
certainly your prerogative, but it’s pretty obvious to anyone following this exchange.
and just for the record, in case you prevent me from accessing your site any longer, i’m a huge afflalo fan – and a big amir fan – and think that both could have been a huge part of a revitalized detroit team.  imho, if afflalo was a starter, with amir a 25 minute a game rotation player, this pistons’ team would be much, much better.
imho, afflalo was the guy who should have been the leader of the new generation of pistons, a guy who set the tone and established the team’s identity.
just my opinion…
 
 

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/could-a-hypothetical-starting-five-of-former-pistons-make-the-playoffs-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-11300 frankie d Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:55:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3855#comment-11300 funny that all of the instances where joe d did anything of value with young players are from what...6 or 7 years ago? got any more recent examples? like within the last 3 or 4 years? and trading ronald dupree doesn't make it in my book. which is my point exactly. when has dumars done anything like what portland did with outlaw? 6 or 7 years ago.  something changed and dumars approach to his job has suffered.  while he was once one of the best gms around, now he is a shell of himself. funny that all of the instances where joe d did anything of value with young players are from what…6 or 7 years ago?
got any more recent examples?
like within the last 3 or 4 years?
and trading ronald dupree doesn’t make it in my book.
which is my point exactly.
when has dumars done anything like what portland did with outlaw?
6 or 7 years ago.  something changed and dumars approach to his job has suffered.  while he was once one of the best gms around, now he is a shell of himself.

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