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Should anything be read into Greg Monroe getting a DNP-CD?

I’ve posted before about my belief that Greg Monroe should get some minutes, even if it means (and it most certainly does mean) that the team’s performance will slip with Monroe out there some rather than Ben Wallace or Jason Maxiell.

That being said, I wasn’t too surprised he didn’t play against New Jersey. After all, his preseason numbers were really bad (particularly his shooting percentage) and last night’s game was competitive down to the finish. Every team wants to win opening night, so that’s why I assumed there was no Monroe sighting.

But there could also be something more to it. From Vince Ellis’ Detroit Free Press blog:

Pistons first-round pick Greg Monroe got a DNP-coach’s decision, and it wasn’t shocking for those who have been paying attention. From Pistons coach John Kuester’s comments saying Monroe has to improve his motor, you could tell moments like Wednesday night would occur.

A fellow scribe overheard Kuester imploring Monroe to run harder in the team’s last preseason game.

You have to wonder if Monroe will ever meet Kuester’s demands because it’s highly unlikely the skilled but laidback rookie from Georgetown will ever be described as high-energy.

It’s obviously a situation that bears watching.

Yikes. That’s certainly not what any Pistons fan wants to read about their first lottery pick since, ahem, Darko.

But it does raise an important point in my mind: I watched Monroe quite a bit it Georgetown. He was described as a low-motor guy all throughout college. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t skilled — he undoubtedly was. But he doesn’t play with much emotion or fire. Everyone should’ve known that about him.

But did the Pistons? It was widely reported when he was drafted that the Pistons hadn’t worked him out, largely because they didn’t expect him to fall to them. The comments Ellis made does make me wonder if the Pistons knew just how long Monroe has been labeled with the ‘low-motor’ issue. I’m not sure it’s a part of his game that can easily be fixed — it just kind of seems like his personality.

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  • Oct 28, 20103:13 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Also, just wanted to point out, radio guys are the worst.

    At different times today, Doug Karsch and Mike Valenti both called Monroe a ‘bust.’ Not sure what Valenti’s reasoning was (just heard that he said it), but Karsch reasoned that since Monroe isn’t as good as Derrick Favors (who Karsch said played at the University of Washington when he actually played at Georgia Tech), he’s a bust. It was a weird rant, almost as if he was suggesting the Pistons selected Monroe when Favors was on the board or something.

    I’m not yet sold on Monroe succeeding in this system — it doesn’t always seem suited to his strengths. But to call a kid a bust after one game that he didn’t even play in? Lunacy.

  • Oct 28, 20103:47 pm
    by fred

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    the dude is not a bust. after watching him at G-Town (being from DC) he is a mellow personality person with major skills.  he also came from a mello coach in JT3.  These coaches need to look into the mirror and change themselves before changing their players.  you adjust your coaching to the players you have and you don’t select players you are not too familiar with.  i’ve seen Greg make too many plays at G-town to be getting DNP-CD’s with the Pistons. This coach is going to put a bad label on a good kid. There is a difference between him and Ben Wallace and it’s called skill. 

  • Oct 28, 20104:46 pm
    by Laser

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    this going to be a running theme all season. too many players deserving of minutes (at least relative to everyone else), not enough minutes. this team is damned if it does and damned if it doesn’t. they can either play 11-12 deep, or some guys sit.
     
    in today’s mailbag, langlois said that monroe was just plain beat out by max and ben. the way i see it, he was also beat out by daye and villa, since you pretty much gotta platoon ben and max at center right now against most teams. but if the argument is that daye is a better player and more deserving player, and maybe he is, you just can’t judge that in a vacuum. is he a better power forward? i highly doubt it, considering he’s not a power forward at all.
     
    looks like they want to play 10 deep, and in a way who could blame them? but there are just too many guards LOCKED into this rotation for that to work. if that’s the case and we’re going with ten i’d rather see one of our guards– it really doesn’t matter who–  sit (or get shipped or have both his ankles broken), slide daye into the backup SF role, and make villa and monroe your power forwards. since they’re, uh, power forwards. doesn’t seem that difficult to me. but what do i know?

  • Oct 28, 20104:50 pm
    by Laser

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    oh, also meant to add: what does our ten man rotation look like if jonas is healthy? smart money says daye joins monroe in the DNP-CD club. one of the many reasons i was able to shrug his injury off.

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  • Oct 28, 20109:09 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    saw this quote earlier today and wondered if Monroe was sliding into Q’s doghouse. Monroe is never going to play with the intensity of Ben Wallace but Monroe has heart and he is highly skilled. He just needs to get stronger. I said this before, but i’ll say it again: like Daye last year, Monroe is a year away from contributing. He will not be a bust and anybody who thinks so is foolish. Right now, Max is a better player and should get the minutes. Now if Chris Wilcox sees the floor before Monroe, then we know Q is an idiot. Players need minutes to develop. And yes, they have to earn them but there is a lot to be said for letting your first round draft pick see a 5 minute stint in the first half just to get acclimated to the league, the opposing players, and the officials.

    i think Q knows he is gone if this year ends up like last year – which it will if he doesn’t do a better job coaching

    and given the personel and position issues – we need a very bright coach. Not sure that is Q. Every time i hear him with the media, he speaks in platitudes. To be honest, i don’t know if that is his “head coach persona” – not giving anything away and keeping all issues within the locker room or if he is just not very bright.

  • Oct 28, 20109:17 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    @laser

    what happens to this team if it goes on a prolonged losing streak?

  • Oct 28, 201010:43 pm
    by nuetes

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    What qualifies as not being a bust? He won’t be an all-star. His ceiling might be a good player. Is that a bust? I don’t think I’ve ever said he was a bust, but I’ve maybe insinuated that it could be the case. I said I’d have no problem throwing him in a trade. He’s not what the Pistons need imo. He’s not a defensive force, not a shot blocker, not a rebounder, but, oh and this is important (apparently), he is skilled. It’s fancy, but I’m still trying to figure out how his particular skill set is valuable.
     
    I’m not necessarily mad that he didn’t play. I’m confused, but I also get it. He’s not that good, or hopefully just not that good right now. He’s not ready, but that seems weird that Derrick Favors, who everyone labeled as ‘raw’ would be ready while Monroe who everyone labeled as ‘skilled’ wouldn’t be. After watching Favors last night there is absolutely no way he would have gotten a DNP if he were on the Pistons. He would have played, and played a lot.
     
    In order to get playing time it seems Monroe has to become something he’s not – athletic and determined. Guess we shouldn’t be holding our breaths for a Monroe appearance anytime soon if that is the case.

  • Oct 29, 20108:06 am
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Favors’ game is based on athleticism and strength right now. Those guys can make plays, even if they’re not particularly good basketball players, particularly by blocking shots and finishing around the basket.
    Monroe has a below-the-rim game, and it takes bigs like that longer to figure out some of the nuances of NBA post play. Favors will have to figure that stuff out too, but as an elite athlete, he can fill a role for NJ right now that Monroe can’t for the Pistons.

  • Oct 29, 201010:49 am
    by nuetes

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    Yah because Favors has a valuable skill set, even though he doesn’t even have a skill set. All he has to do is jump, dunk, and defend and it’s more valuable than Monroe’s passing, shooting, and dribbling. The Pistons were pretty much stuck taking Monroe, because he was the best available, and he was a big man, but in the article you raise a good point about Dumars not even working him out. It’s a blind draft pick based on hype to some degree. He was widely considered the best available so Dumars picked him. I’m not sure Aldrich or Udoh will be any better, in fact they probably won’t be. But Ed Davis might be. And Davis is a natural PF, I’m not sure Monroe is a natural anything.

  • Oct 29, 201011:59 am
    by Patrick Hayes

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    I think it depends on what you are looking for. I think Aldrich, Monroe, Udoh and Davis (I’m not all that high on him) will be solid, but not great, NBA players.
    The Pistons took Monroe, whose value is going to be as a high-post passer, a guy who will eventually score in crafty ways from 12 feet or so and in and a guy who, despite having the appearance of a plodder at times, runs the floor pretty well.
    Aldrich is always going to be a big body, he will rebound, he will defend and he’s more athletic than people give him credit for.
    Udoh I see as mostly a shot blocker. Average rebounder, and athletic enough to score a few points on offensive boards or by running the floor. He also has pretty good range for a big man.
    Davis has the appearance of a blue-collar rebounder. He doesn’t offer much offensively right now, and I’m not sure if that part of his game will come around.
    I think anyone could’ve watched those four players in college and come away knowing they’d do some things well in the NBA and some things not so well. So after reading what Kuester seems to be expecting out of Monroe, I really do question why they took him. Maybe he was the best overall talent of the available bigs, but all of those guys were a notch below Favors/Cousins upside-wise. If you want a high motor guy, why not just take Davis or if you want a defensive presence, why not take Aldrich?
    I don’t think Monroe is going to be a bust, but I do wonder how the current coach/front office will measure success for him. If they want him to be an intense defender and good rebounder before they trust him with minutes, I don’t know that he’s ever going to get those minutes.

  • Oct 29, 201012:14 pm
    by nuetes

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    ^ this. Yes! I completely agree. Of course that was basically what I stated, but the combined statements make the complete point. Monroe might be skilled, but is he really what the Pistons are looking for?

  • Oct 29, 201012:20 pm
    by Rodman4Life

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    Have to agree, again, with Laser.  DNP is probably the logjam effect of too many guards hoarding minutes in the 10 man rotation.  But the “skilled” comments on Monroe are really getting bothersome.  The league goes through phases, and player postions and their expected skill-sets change.  How are we evaluating big men and what they are “supposed” to bring to the table?  There was a time that defensive specialists were rare, and scoring and shooting were expected, especially in a league where teams used to average 110+ points a night.

    Today, bigs are far quicker and athletic, and are valued for speed and covering a lot of floor, basically “erasing shots.”  If they can run the floor and get out on the wing, even better.  But place them in the post with their back to the basket, and watch the squirm show.  Monroe is not a typical “big” of today.  But if his “skills” develop, we could have a much more unique and powerful player on our hands.  Those skills are better perfected with time and maturity, so patience will be important.  With all this said, he could be a bust, maybe never developing.  But I like his potential, just don’t judge him by one of today’s typical bigs (for him it would be an insult).

  • Oct 29, 20101:06 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @Rodman4Life:
    He’s not an atypical big. He’s a good passer, below-the-rim, 12-feet and in player who can hopefully extend his range to 15. Those guys are fairly common — Brad Miller, Vlade Divac, Okur, Sabonis. I think it’s perfectly fine to judge him as a “typical” big in that he’s not going to do anything to reinvent the way the position has been played. He’s going to be a solid offensive player, an average rebounder and an occasional liability on defense because he’s a bit smaller and less athletic than some current big men.

  • Oct 29, 20102:46 pm
    by Laser

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    “if” they go on a prolonged losing streak? take a look at their next few games. 0-5 is a probability right now.
     
    tough to find wins looking at their schedule. this team really should be a step ahead of teams like the nets in terms of familiarity and cohesion, since basically everyone on the team (and our entire “core”) has been here over a year and had two training camps under their belt… but they’re not. perhaps there’s something to be said for having a real head coach and players who know what they’re supposed to be doing in games.

  • Oct 29, 20103:02 pm
    by nuetes

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    0-5? They could be 0-6 heading into their 4 game road trip out west. Then come back home to play the Lakers before finally getting the Wizards. It’s possible they could go 0-11 before getting their first win. Unless they really get hot one night and win a game they shouldn’t it’s not looking too good.
     
    Wonder what kind of shakeup we would see if the Pistons really started out that bad.

  • Oct 29, 20103:18 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    For starters, Kuester would be gone. It’s clear from the few comments Dumars makes that he evaluates the team solely on wins and losses. After last season, no way Kuester could survive a start where he only wins one or two of the first 11 games.

  • Oct 29, 20103:42 pm
    by Alan

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    The rookies, fresh from college, are used to about 30 games per year.  So, almost all of them will hit a wall at some point during the season.  Sometime around all-star break, John Wall & Demarcus Cousins will have a rough go.  Guys like Favors or Heywood will fare a little better since they’re coming off the bench. 

    Monroe should be rididng the pine right now regardless of the playoff picture because he’ll hit the rookie wall.  It makes sense to save him for the end of the season, when Detroit is officially out of the playoffs.  At that time, we’ll shut Wallace down for the season and try and save him for ’11-’12 and we can bump-up Maxiel, Villanueva, & Monroe’s playing time.

  • Oct 30, 20102:08 am
    by Laser

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    well i don’t doubt kuester could, should and will hopefully get the axe. he’s got no vision for this team whatsoever. he doesn’t seem like a leader, and after everyone made such a big deal about this team having the same coach for two consecutive seasons, we don’t seem to have chemistry, cohesion, good rotations, much of a system at all. so he can get the axe. so long. and we can bring in another rookie coach who’ll fail to maximize talent and so on and so on until oblivion.
     
    it’s not entirely fair, because i doubt anyone could turn this team into a winner, but kuester stinks. whoever said he only talks in platitudes is right. i’m sick of listening to him make excuses.

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