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Joe Dumars’ plan appears in loss to Nets, but Pistons still aren’t good

Maybe Joe Dumars had a plan, after all. I know many of you don’t want to believe that, but use your imagination for just a moment. His plan probably looked something like this:

And for most of the game, that’s what the Pistons had. The signs of progress were present.

But progress doesn’t mean good, and the Pistons don’t appear to be good. Improved, yes. Good, no.

When you’re not good, it doesn’t matter how well your general manager’s plan unfolds, you can’t surrender every loose ball to your opponents down the stretch. You can’t allow them to go on an 11-0 run within the last two minutes. You can’t miss five of your last seven free-throw attempts.

But the Pistons did all those things, and that’s why they lost to the Nets, 101-98, in a surprisingly well-played game last night.

Ben Wallace played the excellent defense Pistons fans expect from him. But Prince and Hamilton were the catalysts for Detroit’s excellent team defense. They were always in the right spots and gave the Nets very little room to operate.

Gordon made 5-of-6 shots for 12 points and had three assists. When the Nets had trouble staying with him, he scored. When they played him tightly, he made the right pass. It was an excellent offensive night for Gordon.

Villanueva, who scored 14 points, also played well on that side of the court. He took nine 3-pointers, but don’t read too much into that. By my count, three of those came when the Pistons were down late, two were forced, and he went 3-of-4 on 3-pointers within the offense. The Nets also appeared to pay extra attention to him inside. Yes, I could live without those two forced shots, but Villanueva made positive offensive contributions.

Stuckey really set the tone. He knew when to attack and when to pass offensively, finishing with 14 points (4-of-10 from the field, 5-of-6 from the line), seven assists and no turnovers. Defensively, he pushed Devin Harris around for much of the game.

This was a night the Pistons, who had only six turnovers, did a lot of things right. They looked crisp, especially for the first game of the season.

But they lost focus in those final few minutes, erasing the positives of the rest of the game. Detroit isn’t good enough for that to happen and win, especially on the road.

The good news is the Pistons aren’t as lifeless as last year. The bad news is that’s not necessarily enough to make the postseason.

For a team that will have to fight to make the cusp of the playoffs, every game matters. An 0-1 start obviously isn’t the end of the world (despite what you read about the Heat last night).

But it makes the Pistons quest this year even more challenging – and that’s the last thing they need.

Can an old dog learn a new trick?

Ben Wallace is still Ben Wallace – for good and bad.

He was a force on the glass. His 10 rebounds sell him short, because he tipped even more. He played better defense than anyone else in this game. He also reminded me how excellent his screens are.

*The defense has a huge in advantage because it knows Wallace isn’t a threat on the roll or the pop. Yet, he still gives the ball handler space to operate.

But when the Nets went to Hack-a-Ben late in the fourth quarter, those results were predictable, too. He made just 1-of-4 free throws before being removed from the game.

Wallace does a lot of good for the Pistons, but this is his chance to do even more.

I have no doubt Wallace sets an excellent example in the weight room. But you know what? He’s already strong. I think he likes lifting. I think he likes having the nickname “Body.” I think he likes being strong enough to intimidate opponents.

I don’t think he likes working on his free throws quite as much.

Do you think Rodney Stuckey likes harnessing his aggressiveness in order to initiate the offense? Do you think Austin Daye likes boxing out power forwards? Do you think Charlie Villanueva likes playing defense?

Probably not. But they try to do those things to give their team its best chance to win.

It would send in an incredibly strong message if, when the Pistons come to their next practice, they see Wallace taking free throws.

Better yet, I hope they see him working with a psychiatrist on them. I’m serious.

Wallace struggled to hit the rim on his attempts last night. He’s not a good shooter, but he’s not that bad. He clearly has a mental block.

Ron Artest worked with a therapist, and that has made him a better player. In the macho culture of professional sports, Artest is a pioneer. People laughed when he thanked his therapist after winning the title. I saluted him.

Wallace has an opportunity, by leading through example, to help the Pistons become a mentally sharper team. I don’t expect him to take it, and I won’t blame him if he doesn’t. Most professional athletes wouldn’t.

But the opportunity is there.

Tracy McGrady makes Pistons debut

Tracy McGrady made several good passes. He had three assists (and more passes that led to free throws) and no turnovers. He also played the passing lanes well, collecting two steals.

He played within himself, missing three shots in 14 minutes.

Really, I guess that’s fine. But it was sort of like watching Superman win a bocce ball tournament. After seeing him fly, take bullets without wincing and melt things with his eyes, bocce ball just isn’t that exciting.

For the most part, he looked like someone with “tired legs” who’s still smart enough to make plays, anyway.

In the second quarter, McGrady had position on Johan Petro for a rebound coming toward them and nobody else. All McGrady had to do was turn around and box out, and the rebound was easily his. Instead, he fouled Petro. Given his physical ability, McGrady probably made the smart choice, preventing a fastbreak opportunity. But most NBA players could just get the rebound.

That play about summed up the negatives of McGrady’s night.

During the broadcast, the word was Arnie Kander said McGrady won’t be at full strength until midseason. Expect more games likes this from McGrady for a while.

Again, if playing time was supposed to be dictated by performance, why is McGrady playing?

Daye-zed

Austin Daye started at power forward and had a favorable matchup with Joe Smith. Daye will be overmatched every night he starts at power forward (more on this tomorrow), but this was about as good as it will for him. Smith doesn’t want to bang inside.

But then the Nets brought in Derrick Favors, who bullied Daye. The Pistons pulled Daye late in the first quarter, and he didn’t return until the second half.

Besides his defensive shortcomings, Daye looked rattled on offense. He missed six of his eight shots and didn’t get to the line.

Quite simply, Daye didn’t look like he was ready to start, or maybe even be in the rotation.

Didn’t the Pistons sign Ben Gordon for games like this?

When he was with the Bulls, Ben Gordon built a reputation as a fearless player, someone willing to take the big shots. John Kuester seems to buy that, playing Gordon the entire fourth quarter.

But after making his first three shots of the fourth quarter and drawing a foul on the fourth shot, Gordon didn’t shoot in the final six minutes of the game.

Villanueva took the Pistons’ final three shots, all 3-pointers, before their final possession. At least two of those plays seemed to be designed for him.

Gordon appeared to be the first option on the Pistons’ final shot, and I even thought he was open near the top of the key. But Tayshaun Prince didn’t hit him with the pass. It almost looked like like the play started before Prince was ready.

I can’t complain too much. Stuckey had a good look from the corner, given the situation.

But I can’t help but feel like Gordon was underutilized down the stretch.

Pick-and-roll defense

The Pistons pick-and-roll defense was pretty poor, especially in the third quarter, when Devin Harris ran a clinic.

It wasn’t completely Rodney Stuckey’s fault. Tayshaun Prince, Austin Daye and Richard Hamilton all had turns on Harris. The Pistons even went to zone, too.

But Harris was too quick around the screens, too smooth on his jumpers and too accurate on his passes to a cutting Brook Lopez.

New Villanueva

After his summer of rededication to being a big man, Charlie Villanueva didn’t prove much one way or the other tonight.

Notching a steal and block, but too often playing his man too loose, his defense was a mixed bag. I’ll call that an improvement. The minuses still outweighed the plusses, though.

He had only three rebounds in 23 minutes. That number probably needs to improve.

Second unit

The Pistons played five reserves – Will Bynum, Ben Gordon, Tracy McGrady, Charlie Villanueva and Jason Maxiell – to begin the second quarter.

Thanks to some pretty terrible defense, the group promptly allowed the Nets to open the quarter on an 8-2 run. But somehow, the unit outscored the Nets, 34-25, in 13:46.

Still, the lineup choice didn’t make much sense to me, and I’m not confident in it going forward.

Why pair the smallest guards, Will Bynum and Ben Gordon? Why pair the leanest forwards, Austin Daye and Tayshaun Prince?

I have no problem with the starting lineup, in and of itself, because most teams mix and match their starters and reserves throughout the game. But if Kuester plans to play the starters and reserves as separate units, I think they need tinkering.

Third-quarter dud

The Nets’ best quarter was the third, when they outscored Detroit, 31-20. Last year, I complained the Pistons struggled to make adjustments at halftime, especially when they were winning.

One game is much too small of a sample size to judge something like this, I’ll be keeping my eye on it.

24 Comments

  • Oct 27, 201011:47 pm
    by nuetes

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    Ben Wallace was the Pistons best player like usual. Always fun watching him play. Maxiell had a good game, as did Stuckey. The outcome wasn’t surprising, but the way it happened definitely was. The Nets forced Wallace out of the game using the hack-a-ben strategy and for some reason Kuester decides to go small ball. Killed it.
     
    Nice watching Favors. He’s so raw, but so athletic and filled with potential. Looks like we’ll have to wait until next season to get another peak at our first round pick. He must not be as ready as Favors. Unlike the Nets the Pistons are trying to win championships. They can’t afford to give young guys minutes. Daye better watch out. He’s going to have to play better than that or Wilcox might be nipping at his heels.
     
    Mcgrady surprised me I’ll admit. He didn’t do anything special, but he did make a positive impact. His basketball IQ is evident. I’m not sure what he’s doing on the team, but he might be fun to watch this season.
     
    Pistons outrebounded. Killed in the paint. Things to expect to be the norm this season.
     
    Where to now? The schedule looks pretty easy coming up. It should be no problem for a team with championship aspirations.

  • Oct 28, 201012:19 am
    by Laser

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    hard to take anything good away from this. we lost to a team nobody predicts will make the playoffs, and one that’s guaranteed to improve over the course of the season, was missing its highest paid player, and has flexibility now and cap space this summer.
     
    plus, this pistons team is in their second year. injuries or not, they’ve been around each other under the same coach, playing together since last season. the lone new addition happened to be the lone bright spot. i have no idea what he’s doing here or why we have so many guards who do the exact same thing and combo forwards who do the exact same thing, but i loved how t-mac played. missed all his shots and didn’t seem to move all that well, but he made smart plays and somehow managed a 3:0 AST-TO ratio, 2 STL and a staggering +9 in 13 minutes and change.
     
    still, we need to get rid of some guards, move daye to backup 3, make room for monroe to play. because as long as we’re platooning ben and max at center, there’s only room for two PFs. and they should be CV and monroe, not daye. this is just ridiculous.
     
    aside from “everything,” one specific thing that’s wrong with this team that manifested itself tonight (and will surely be a running theme) is that there are no established roles. blaha can say what he wants about “the pistons have nine players with an assist, and jersey only has three,” but jersey has a game plan. and their players have roles. the playmakers facilitate. they have two guys with 20-some points, one of whom had 9 AST, the other had 9 REB. these are star players. go-to guys. everyone else had roles. whether it’s make threes, rebound, defend. we don’t have this. we just have a bunch of guys running around trying to do it all. and they’re not creative or good enough for that to work.

  • Oct 28, 201012:24 am
    by Laser

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    also, let’s get a pool going as to how long our resident optimists can still focus on the rare bright spots on the team. i’m thinking after about 24 more of these it’s going to be real hard to keep up the enthusiasm. even for feldman.
     
    blaha was sure proud of the bench outscoring jersey’s bench. i mean, when two of your four highest paid players are bench guys for some reason (one of whom making more than ANYONE on the opposing team), that really shouldn’t warrant a “pat on the back.” but it will. from blaha and many others.

  • Oct 28, 20101:03 am
    by alex

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    Might be a long season for the Pistons, thinking McGrady might be headed towards retirement. My buddy and I did a quick podcast on some super early impressions of certain team/ players: http://usershare.net/lznefnkye7f2
     

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  • Oct 28, 20109:00 am
    by ds

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    I was quite impressed with T-Mac, he had 4 more passes that coulda / shoulda been assists (3 dunks that max missed and a wide open 3 for CV). He seemed to manage the offense, which this team needs.
    It sucks to lose in the end, but there were several positives – especially the assists to turnovers.
     
     

  • Oct 28, 20109:02 am
    by detroitpcb

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    totally agree with Laser. We need to get rid of some guards, get a big who can play, move Daye to backup 3 and occasional 2 and define roles.

    the bright side: the Pistons moved the ball well. The highlight for me (other than T-Mac) was that extra pass Ben Gordon made that gave Rip an open three in the left corner.

    The bad: Outrebounded, killed in the paint, bad free throw shooting, and Q got schooled, absolutely schooled by Avery Johnson when the game was on the line. You know Johnson was thinking about that job interview/negociation with Dumars while he schooled Q.
    T-Mac has a high basketball IQ. Even though he missed shots and only made one move (that baseline drive from the left wing) he contributed. I think i would have to get him on the floor at the end of the game. He has a better grasp than any of the players Q put out there ahead of him and i suspect he can still knock down a stationary three.

  • Oct 28, 20109:32 am
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @PCB:

    “Johnson was thinking about that job interview/negociation with Dumars while he schooled Q.”

    I said this on another thread, but I don’t see how anyone could watch the game and think that coaching is the reason the Pistons lost. These are the reasons, as Feldman noted in his post:

    - Missed 5-of-7 FTs down the stretch.

    - Three guys stood and watched as Devin Harris dove on the floor to tip the ball to Morrow for the game-winning three.

    Kuester didn’t make perfect coaching decisions all the time. But if the team made four of those free throws or maybe decided to go to the floor to pursue that loose ball (or maybe not collapse in the lane and leave one of the league’s best three-point shooters all alone for that matter), they win.

    Avery Johnson is incredibly flawed as a coach. Maybe he’s a better coach than Kuester, I don’t really know. But I’m certainly glad the Pistons aren’t paying him $5 million a year to coach this team.

  • Oct 28, 20109:35 am
    by gmehl1977

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    detroitpcb
    I was thinking the same thing on how bad Kuester was made to look…especially in the last quarter. Pistons can’t afford to drop any more games like this or else the chance for .500 ball will be over half way through November. Also look for teams to use the hack-a-ben more if he is in the end of games. We can’t afford not to have in there and with his pooooor free throw shooting (if you can call it that) we can’t afford to have him in there.

  • Oct 28, 201010:33 am
    by detroitpcb

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    @Patrick

    “Avery Johnson is incredibly flawed as a coach”

    Please elaborate. The team i saw on the floor last night for New Jersey had a plan, knew where they wanted to go with the ball, like Chuck Daly and the old Pistons teams when they found a play that worked they kept running it, players seemd to know their roles, and Johnson schooled Q at the end.

    of course missed free throws cost them the game – and not just the ones down the stretch. What was Tay from the line? 50%?

    but………should Ben Wallace have been in the game after Johnson showed the hack-aben?

    is the best lineup for the Pistons to finish  the small lineup with gordon at the 2, rip at the three, and tay at the four? or is Q just sucking up to reputation (ben gordon) and his vets (rip & tay)?

  • Oct 28, 201010:38 am
    by detroitpcb

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    @Patrick

    and why did the Pistons go to isolation at the end of the game? Isn’t that falling back on bad habits that Q is trying to break. Shouldn’t they move the ball? If you want your players to move the ball, why the hell would you have them go one on one at the end when the game is on the line/ Makes no sense.

  • Oct 28, 201010:46 am
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @PCB:

    They have a plan because they have exactly two go-to players, including one dominant post player (at least offensively). They have to go to Harris or Lopez every time.

    Avery Johnson is fine. But I don’t think he’s some sort of amazing genius or anything. In fact, he was out-coached so badly by Don Nelson in the playoffs a few years ago that it might have been the worst playoff coaching job in the modern history of the NBA playoffs. It’s certainly top three, if not the worst.

    Like I said, Kuester didn’t make perfect decisions at all times. But the best a coach can do is prepare his team, and the Pistons were prepared. They moved the ball well most of the game, they didn’t turn it over, and in the last few minutes of the game, their players missed open shots, didn’t go after a key loose ball and didn’t make free throws. Those were far more egregious mistakes than anything Kuester did or didn’t do.

  • Oct 28, 201011:32 am
    by Laser

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    1) i’d LOVE to “have to go to lopez or harris every time.” most good basketball teams have go-to players. we can’t even narrow it down to a solid five to close MOST games. our rotation is apparently just ten guys who are equally average, most of whom do the same things as the others.
     
    2) “coaching didn’t lose this game, it was our bad free throw percentage” is a bogus explanation, and anyone who watched the game who’s being honest knows it. didn’t ben miss 4 of 5 during that stretch? that would mean a grand total of one (1) free throw was missed by non-ben wallace pistons down the stretch. johnson went to hack-a-ben, kuester left ben in, we lost. that’s basically all you need to know, isn’t it? i don’t see how anyone could think we weren’t outcoached here. and any game that comes down to free throws will be a LOSS. you already know this team stinks at free throws. it’s egregious, but it’s not new news. it’s been that way for YEARS.
     
    3) i don’t think the pistons were “prepared.” and there’s something to be said for having all of 2 turnovers midway through the second quarter in a tie game. if you’re playing basically “perfect” basketball against a team that nobody projects to make the playoffs, you should be ahead. and, as i said before, it helps to have a team where your players have assigned roles. that way they know where to be, what to do, what’s expected of them, and they don’t try to do too much. this team has ONE of those players. i don’t think it’s necessarily a coincidence that ben wallace is our best player by a wide margin and that he’s the one core player who knows his role. everyone else (with the notable exception of max, who more-or-less serves as “ben lite”) is out there trying to do everything. i suppose the case could be made that t-mac went in there and took on the role of “facilitator” (and did a remarkable job of it). but everyone else is just “a basketball player” and tried to do it all. and failed.
     
    lopez and harris were the stars, but other guys made BIG shots (those are their BIG shot, 3-point types). they had two guys collecting ten-ish rebounds (their rebounders). favors came in with activity and energy. they had only three guys who dished out any assists… you get the idea. they got the W. and they’re going to get progressively and noticeably better as they jell together. we, on the other hand, will continue to be mediocre as long as everyone’s trying to do anything.
     
    and let’s not forget… this team was built from the ashes of a failed free agent bonanza. and aside from all the improvement they stand to make with the guys they have, they have loads of flexibility now and this summer. but let’s try to look at everything in the light most favorable to the pistons

  • Oct 28, 201011:44 am
    by Laser

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    oh and one more thing. i wrote a short play i think you guys might enjoy…
     
    ACT I:
    Blaze: “bla bla something about t-mac not playing…”
     
    Phazer (understanding that your big name free agent and lone offseason acquisition was not signed to sit, and that there are not enough minutes at SG for the other guys on the team): “t-mac is your backup SF. deal with it.”
     
    Blaze: “such a tool. but you’re our tool. LOLZ!”
     
    INTERMISSION (in which t-mac plays about 14 of the 16 available SF minutes behind tayshaun)
     
    Act II:
    Phazer: “something astute and accurate, but phrased in a way Blaze doesn’t like.”
     
    Blaze: “LOL FART.”
     
    FIN

  • Oct 28, 201012:15 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @Laser:

    Good to see you’re comfortable in here. But don’t forget who runs this town tonight. Comments sections are great, but you don’t own this place down here. Bleacher Report is always looking for witty writers who can yammer on about the same thing over and over without using any data other than “I saw’ll it with my own eyes” to back up a statement. They might even help you fix your issues with capital letters. You’d be a featured columnist before you know it. Just something to think about.

    As for your assertion that one game has proven you right in your McGrady assertions, I’ll simply ask this: did he look healthy to you last night? He didn’t do anything to cement himself as the team’s permanent SF. He didn’t do anything to suggest he’s totally healthy and going to remain that way.

    I hope McGrady gets some semblance of a game back. I’m less than confident he will, and if he doesn’t, I’m pretty confident that his minutes will go to other players.

  • Oct 28, 201012:20 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @Laser again:

    “i’d LOVE to “have to go to lopez or harris every time.” most good basketball teams have go-to players. we can’t even narrow it down to a solid five to close MOST games. our rotation is apparently just ten guys who are equally average, most of whom do the same things as the others.”

    Just stop. You argue points that don’t exist. Did I ever say that it was a bad thing that NJ has those players? Absolutely not. But it is much, much easier to coach a team when you know who the ball is going to on most plays. I don’t think Johnson should be credited for getting his two best players the ball a lot. That’s the easiest thing he could do.

  • Oct 28, 201012:22 pm
    by Jason

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    Mcgrady actually didn’t play too bad. You can sense he’s playing smart basketball, and his aggressiveness will improve as the year goes on.
    Stuck played well, and for anyone who disagrees, look at the box score. He played good defense, didn’t turn the ball over, and got 7 assists. Exactly what we want to see from him.
    Maxiell looked pretty good too, but can only do so much when he is paired with Charlie V down low.
    This leads me back to  a post from a couple days ago.
    I don’t think anyone here can deny that if we had a guy like Erik Dampier on the floor last night – we would have won. We were owned on rebounds and interior defense.
    A 7 footer with muscle is EXACTLY what this team needs, and as you could see last night, we can get plenty of offense from other guys on the court – so Damp’s lack of offense isn’t a liability.
    This team does have talent, and with help down low, there is no reason to believe we cannot be a top 5 or 6 team in the East.
    MAKE THE MOVE DUMARS, GIVE DAMPIER THE FULL MLE!!!
     
     
     

  • Oct 28, 201012:24 pm
    by Jason

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    Forgot to mention how impressed I was with Charlie V throughout the game.. I want to see him attack more often – but no one can doubt the guy’s ability to make shots..
    When you have as quick a release, and as clean a shot as he does, you have to put it up if you have an open look.
    Defensively, I feel like he was aggressive. He was making a point to grab boards, and just get more physical then Im used to seeing him. I was overall impressed with Charlie, and hope he continues this style of play.. We could sure use it..

  • Oct 28, 201012:34 pm
    by Laser

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    it’s plainly obvious who runs this town. i just think it’s a little odd how i tend to be treated around here, that’s all. sure, i’m discontented and an easy target, and i think the glass is basically empty. and i recognize that there’s something ridiculous about someone posting on a pistons blog who’s obviously fed up with the team, but i’m an admitted pistons addict. i hate what this team’s become and i can’t stop caring. but that doesn’t mean i’m not a smart guy who’s figured some things out in his years of basketball fandom. i don’t want to have an adversarial relationship with anyone here except Adam and sometimes pcb, but it’s exceedingly irritating when someone who’s supposed to be “running the town” is calling me a tool for a prediction that’s materializing. yes, t-mac didn’t play in the preseason, but his name is “t-mac” so i knew he would play, and i knew where he would play. that’s all. you don’t have to worry about any more “cute” plays, but i wanted to get that one off my chest is all.
     
    i’m not saying one game “proved me right,” but i felt vindicated to some extent, sure. guy misses the entire preseason, and sure enough there he was starting the second quarter at SF. nothing’s permanent, especially not on this team as they fail to jell and the losses pile up, but he sure got first crack. so at least to start the season, my prediction was accurate. if this team’s committed to TRYING a consistent and manageable rotation, he sure looks like your backup SF at the moment. and he didn’t do anything to lose the job last night.
     
    t-mac did NOT look healthy to me. that’s for sure. i’ve said a few times that he wasn’t moving well. but he made fantastic decisions and almost looked like he was actually making other guys better despite his physical limitations. 3 AST, 0 TO, 2 STL, +9 EFF in only 13:46 in a loss (!). he certainly didn’t look nearly 100%, but he was still one of our best players! and again, not to repeat myself too much, but he looked like he was out there to facilitate and make plays. one of three pistons who seemed to have an idea what he was doing out there aside from “everything.” and that counts for something. he looked like a smart, focused player. we have too many guards right now, but i don’t think he specifically looked like a problem last night.

  • Oct 28, 201012:51 pm
    by Laser

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    @jason: what’s up buddy? i like you. you seem cool. my take on stuckey is this, and it’s not his fault at all, because he played a good game… his AST:TO looked great. that’s for sure. but he basically scored all his points and made all his assists by the nine minute mark in the third period. where was he when the game was on the line? chauncey was a master of controlling the tempo, managing the game, making sure we didn’t blow a 7 point lead in 100 seconds. the pistons don’t have that guy, and by all accounts from the organization stuckey is SUPPOSED to be that guy. it’s not his fault that he just isn’t, but he isn’t. he was an asset to the team, but he’s not the leader we need and the leader joe thinks he is. plain and simple. he and will and rip and gordon were all doing the same stuff that game, a little of everything. and that’s not a winning formula. it’s basically how an all-star game is played. and that’s not a good thing.
     
    on dampier: first off, i think dampier would put us a cut above the gutter. he’s the difference in a game like that against the scrubs of the NBA, but he won’t take us over the hump. and if we handed him a full MLE, we become a taxpaying team. it’s just not worth it. and this is coming from a guy who takes every opening joe gives me to absolutely torch him (and they are many), but i’m not going to kill him on the dampier thing. there’s just something about a taxpaying lottery team that i’m too uncomfortable with to endorse. it’s a matter of principle. if i thought dampier made us contenders, sure. but he obviously doesn’t.
     
    on charlie hustle: 9/10 shots from long distance, dude. sound familiar? hm… i mean, sure he made 4/9, which is a great percentage, but i feel like it’s not the best use of his talents to stand around and jack up threes. he’s too versatile and talented. it’s easy to point to anything in a loss and criticize it, but 9 threes?? good to see him as an interested defender, but i want to see the array of offensive skills he was brought here for; make opposing defenses work a little.
     
    @hayes: believe it or not, i hate arguing with you. it brings me the utmost dissatisfaction. i was only responding to your statement that “they have to go to harris or lopez every time.” that’s all. we should be so lucky to establish some semblance of a pecking order like that, even if it’s imposed. it’s nice in theory to have nine offensive weapons, but one or two effective ones would be better.

  • Oct 28, 20101:14 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @Laser:

    You are treated according to the tone of your posts. When you post relevant posts that make cogent points, there’s civil engagement. When you post diatribes that try and make it seem like I’m an idiot for writing whatever it is that I put time into, then yeah, I’m not going to respond all that civilly. Pretty easy formula really.

    As for the Harris/Lopez thing, the Pistons don’t have two clear go-to players, so there’s much more pressure on the coach in that respect. NJ can always have a guy who can get a bucket, particularly in Lopez. Kuester has to be scheming all the time to get flawed players in a position to maximize the random skills they do have. That’s a lot more pressure than a coach like Johnson, who has two established go-to players, is under during a game.

  • Oct 28, 20101:20 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    @patrick

    don’t recall that i said Avery Johnson was a great coach – i just said he schooled Q last night. I suppose this is simplistic but to reply to your comment that Q had the team prepared – playing a system and sharing the ball – there is a difference between preparing a team to play and managing game situations. A coach may be good at one and bad at the other or they may be good at both or suck at both. Last night Q did a terrible job of managing a game situation when his team had the lead at the end of the 4th period. I was not discussing whether or not he had them prepared.

    and while Don Nelson schooled Avery in that playoff series, he had the advantage of intimately knowing every player on that Dallas roster, their strengths, weaknesses, spots were they want the ball, and what puts them into a discomfort zone. Personally, since Nellie showed exactly how you take Dirk out of his game i am surprised that more coaches haven’t caught on to what he did.

  • Oct 29, 201012:55 pm
    by Rodman4Life

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    No Dampier!! He’s a normal-sized band aid for a large lesion.  Won’t do us enough good.  Give him 1 year at 2 million max.  If he scoffs at it, which he will, then we can give minutes to Monroe, which is what we should be doing.  How about Monroe bang at the 4 instead of Daye. 

  • Oct 29, 20104:42 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Sorry Jason, your boy Damp just signed in Houston.

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