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Should the Detroit Pistons open the shooting guard competition?

Earlier this offseason when I was lobbying (begging?) the Detroit Pistons to sign Tracy McGrady, something I believed would be an advantage was the potential for increased competition among perimeter players with something to prove.

Although it’s basically a foregone conclusion that Rip Hamilton will once again be the starter at shooting guard (barring injury), I think an open training camp competition for this spot would serve the team well. I’ve already advocated for a couple other incumbent starters to be flipped to the bench, and I believe that there is absolutely no argument that could be made that Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince are not the best options to start at their respective positions, so that only leaves the two guard spot to talk about.

The difference with the shooting guard group, however, is that I don’t have a clear horse in the race. With Will Bynum and Charlie Villanueva, I think they both have needed skills that the person they would replace haven’t shown as much (Bynum’s passing and Villanueva’s scoring). At the two spot, I just simply want the best player in camp/preseason to get the job.

To be clear, this isn’t a post saying "the Pistons need to trade someone." True or not, I’m pretty focused on the roster as-is. Trades are rare this time of year, and while someone leaving would certainly help, it’s likely that this is the roster the Pistons will start the season with, so it’s time to work with what they have.

Since I have no strong opinion on who should necessarily start, I’ll instead just rank ‘em based on who I think would likely win such a competition:

1. Hamilton: Yeah, it’s a boring outcome. But Rip has some things going for him that others don’t. First, he’s a team captain. You usually don’t see team captains get benched.

He’s older, but still one of the best conditioned athletes in the league. He has spent virtually the last year or so listening to people say he’s washed up or he should be traded, so since he’s a prideful player, I’d assume he’d have some motivation to show differently.

Health is obviously the biggest question with Rip, but if he’s fully healthy this season, there’s no reason to believe he won’t approach the 18ish points per game with a decent shooting percentage numbers that he’s put up most of his career. Plus, he’s the Pistons best defensive option at the shooting guard spot.

And if Hamilton doesn’t start, that kind of shoots my whole "Will Bynum should start because he’s a better compliment to Rip Hamilton" theory. Starting Rip is the easy thing to do to avoid any sort of controversy. I’m not sure that’s the greatest reason to start somebody, but with a returning team that didn’t show great chemistry in the first place, it’s probably best to avoid a chemistry-upsetting issue.

2. Tracy McGrady: Asking alpha-dog scorers who are still so beloved that they get voted into All-Star Games despite being shells of their former selves to come off the bench is always a good option, one that has worked out fantastically for the Pistons in the past.

Yeah, I get it … McGrady is not Allen Iverson. I’m not sure anyone can compete with Iverson from a pride and delusion standpoint, and McGrady has at least said beforehand that he’d accept a bench role, whereas Iverson came in expecting to start and play 40 minutes a game.

But who am I kidding? I’m the web’s foremost Allen Iverson apologist, and McGrady is not far behind on the superstars I inexplicably love scale. The Pistons signed him, partially, because he has ridiculous star power, even with his declined game, and if he can be serviceable on the court, why not start him if he beats somebody out in camp? McGrady earning a starting spot on the Pistons would certainly generate more interest in the team league-wide, and interest is about the best that non-contending teams can hope for.

One of my arguments for starting Hamilton is his height offsets playing next to a smaller guard like Bynum (should my dream of Bynum as a starter come true), and McGrady addresses that same concern, although he’s certainly not as good a defender as Hamilton is.

3. Ben Gordon: Gordon’s biggest positive suggesting he should start: his contract. He’s paid like a starter. But that’s not really the best case to make for someone starting.

I like Gordon, and I empathize with him — he produced very well offensively in Chicago and always wanted to start. He left as a free agent largely looking for an opportunity to start. And while injuries cost him a good portion of his season a year ago, if there was one thing we learned about Ben Gordon, it’s that he might just be a guy who is much better suited to coming off the bench.

But again, contract. Because of what he’s being paid, the Pistons are going to have a hard time moving him, so he’s going to have to be given every opportunity to earn a starting role. He has the skills offensively to do it, but his height puts him at a decided disadvantage. The Pistons can’t afford to play Gordon and Bynum next to each other for long stretches, and even Gordon and Stuckey is a pretty small backcourt.

I fully expect Gordon to play better this year, but I’d be shocked if he does so as a full-time starter.

4. Austin Daye: Daye is the darkhorse of all darkhorses. After the McGrady signing, it appears that there might not even be a spot in the rotation for Daye.

But of all the Pistons young players, Daye offers tantalizing potential as a 6-foot-11 guy with perimeter skills — a great shooting stroke, the ability to put it on the floor and a nice little floater on the move from inside 15 feet that he’s unveiled at times. His skillset and size are, dare I say, a little McGrady-esque. He’s nowhere near the athlete young T-Mac was, but McGrady’s height at the guard spot made him a nightmare matchup for teams, and if Daye plays at shooting guard, he’ll have a similar advantage.

Daye is clearly fighting for any scraps of minutes he can get with this crowded group of veterans in front of him, but Jonas Jerebko took advantage of an opportunity for spot minutes last year and made it impossible for John Kuester to remove him from the rotation. Daye won’t start, but if he plays with the same mentality that Jerebko did last preseason, he can work his way past some veterans and earn some minutes.


  • Sep 2, 20109:59 am
    by Flashlight


    Just put Daye @ the point and be done with it.  Let’s be unconventional for once.  Jeez!  Let’s be trend setters.  What he lacks in actual NBA pg ball handling skills, I think he can make up for every where else.  He’s a better passer, shooter, defender (overall), decision maker and post up than any pg on the team.  Match up nightmare.  We always talk about his skills.  Let’s use them.  I mean, WHY NOT?

  • Sep 2, 201010:58 am
    by Odeh


    Many of you believe Stuckey is not the answer at the point guard position, and I agree, but I disagree that Will Bynum is the better option.  When Stuckey was on the floor last year, he was consistently one of our best players (http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2009-2010&mode=summary&sortnumber=21&sortorder=DESC&team=DET), his overall rating was second on the team to Ben Wallace in terms of +/-.  I believe Stuckey can be one of the best shooting guards in the league, but until we acquire a pass-first, 3 pt shooting point guard, Stuckey is our best option at the point.  He has the size, strength, speed to get into the paint at will, and has a decent mid-range game.
    The question should be, who best compliments Stuckey in the backcourt?  And that answer is Ben Gordon.  Gordon’s weaknesses (size, defense) are offset by Stuckey’s strength’s.  And Stuckey’s outside shooting weakness is a strength of Gordon.  Gordon’s shooting ability will open up the driving lanes for Stuckey, which will result in a higher field goal percentage and finishing stronger at the rim, along with a greater team field goal % because Stuckey can drive and kick.  I may be wrong but I do not remember Kuester experimenting with this starting backcourt and would love to see some stats from Gordon and Stuckey being on the floor together in the backcourt (This is where Mr. Feldman comes in).
    My starting lineup is Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, CV/Monroe, Ben Wallace.  It is well balanced with driving ability, 3 pt shooting, defense, inside scoring.   My ideal situation would be to deal Rip for either cap space, a pass first/3 pt shooting pg, or a defensive center.  We then can start Stuckey at the 2, his natural position although I believe he is much better than Bynum at the point, and move Gordon back as the 6th man sparkplug.   I don’t see my ideal scenario playing out for another year or so.

  • Sep 2, 201010:59 am
    by detroitpcb


    It seems to me that the drafting of Greg Monroe makes Rip more valuable since he is a motion player and Monroe has the ability to hit cutting players with the pass – so maybe Monroe should start next to Ben Wallace?
    Austin Daye is probably still a year or two away from seizing the role but he is going to be a match-up nightmare for teams if he plays the two spot – and since he has all the necessary offensive skills the only question is can he defend quicker guards. I believe the answer is yes because of his length. And then there is his rebounding. Despite being thin as a rail, he is a very good rebounder who could deliver 6+ rebounds a game. With his shooting and dribbling skills i expect him to be able to score 18+ points a game once he is given extended minutes. So…………he needs to be given time on the floor so he can develop confidence and consistency.
    Ben Gordon is not my favorite player. He is too short for his position which forces him to take off balance wild shots. The fact that he makes a lot of them is testimony to his talent – but that still doesn’t make them good shots. He lacks foot speed and is a poor defender.  Quicker players break him down, penetrate, and force the Pistons defense to help. Taller players shoot over him. Personally i would do everything i could to package him with Chris Wilcox and grab another big – like the Russian from Golden State who will be on the market as soon as the ownership transition out there is in place.
    Stuckey spent the summer working on his shot – which is a good thing. if he extended his consistency and range he should have a big year. Unfortunately you cannot really work on passing. Court awareness seems to be one of those skills that you either have or lack. Now the offence can be structured so that he knows exactly where to look for the open player as he drives to the hole. But that is Q’s job. It is unrealistic to expect Stuckey to suddenly become a “true point guard”. Personally i think his long term value is at the two guard. He is strong enough to defend the position and more than fast enough. Once Rip & T-Mac move on, he could be moved to the two, if the Pistons choose to play Daye at the three (though i still think that is JJ’s best position).
    Will can be a starting point guard in this league. Defensively teams will post him up or just shoot over him but offensively he can run a club, penetrate and finish – or dish. And he can hit the shot if the defender backs off him. As long as he commits to staying in front of his man on defense – which should not be as hard for him as it sometimes seems given his quickness – i would be willing to experiment with him in a starting role.
    T-Mac is a total unknown at this point. Last year with the Knicks he was a shadow of his former self. He has never been a strong defensive player. Still, it was a great signing by Joe D. Nothing to lose. Lots to gain if T-Mac can become a go-to scorer again. Plus if Rip or Ben Gordon get traded, it gives Q a vet that he can rely on in case Daye is not ready this season.
    But please, no talk about trading Daye and Prince and Stuckey and a first round pick for Melo. That would be highway robbery. I would offer Prince & Ben Gordon & Summers and a #1. But there is no way i am giving up Daye or Stuckey for that matter. If the refs start giving him calls, he will be a top 15 guard in the league.

  • Sep 2, 201011:12 am
    by Alan


    A good read, Patrick.  I think Hamilton will will an open competition but what concerns me is who is setting the screens?  Hamilton likes to run around screens and double screens in the half-court set that are provided by the starting C and PF.  Who is that going to be?  Wallace/Villanueva?  Wallace/Jerebko?   Monroe/Wallace?   Regardless the front-court pairing, I only see one solid, screen-setter and not the two required for Hamilton to thrive.

    As an aside, I would’ve also enjoyed you profiling Stuckey as a possible starter at the 2.

  • Sep 2, 201011:13 am
    by Odeh


    I agree Monroe is a perfect compliment next to Ben Wallace.  His passing ability makes it easier to start anyone at the 2 guard because that means we are taking away the passing decision from Stuckey at the point.  I think this supports my argument that Gordon should start in the back court next to Stuckey because Gordon is also a nightmare off of screens and has a great jumper that will benefit from Monroe’s passing.
    I take issue with your assessment that Daye is a matchup nightmare, because I feel that is a double-edged sword.  Sure we have a height advantage, and rebounding advantage, but we will have a disadvantage with foot speed on defense.  And Daye’s dribbling is another issue.  He was called for more travels on a per minute basis, than anyone else on the team.
    Also, I agree that Bynum is going to be at a great disadvantage defensively.  I also believe that he cannot hit the shot when his defender backs off him.  He airballed open shots many times last year and Stuckey is a bit more consistent with his shot although not by much.

  • Sep 2, 201011:34 am
    by Laser


    “should?” yes. but i’d put looooooooooooong odds against an open competition. like the same odds california falls into the ocean by the time the season opens.

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  • Sep 2, 201012:36 pm
    by Laser


    @hayes: sorry if this seems like nitpicking, but i’m a bit of a stickler for english. you probably don’t “empathize” with gordon, unless you’re an undersized NBA shooting guard paid like a starter but coming off the bench in a grisly logjam. unless you’ve been in his shoes to a similar extent, you “sympathize” with him. obviously i get your meaning, but there is a big difference between the words.
    also, no chance daye starts just yet. he has a better chance of wearing street clothes than starting. though everything you said shows that we’re on the same page, aside from his inclusion in this article at all.
    @odeh: what stuckey has (as you say, size, strength, speed, “decent” mid-range game) isn’t what we– or anybody– really need to run the offense. he may have been our “best” player by some vague standard, but all the other guys had the misfortune of relying on a drive-first, dribble in circles-second, shoot-third and pass-last (and poorly) point guard who doesn’t make good decisions with the ball. the bottom line for me is that stuckey doesn’t pass the eye test. stats don’t exist in a vacuum and only count for so much in a team sport like basketball.
    i’m with you on gordon pairing nicely with stuckey (it’s why we got him in the first place, isn’t it?). i’d bring them off the bench together. but for plan B i’d rather see stuckey starting with gordon than with rip. it just won’t happen.
    you said “stuckey can drive and kick,” but you must have meant someone else. i’ve seen almost every nba game he’s ever played, and i can’t recall a single instance of a drive-and-kick. you might have been confused and thought he was passing out of the paint after he penetrated, but that was probably just a wild shot. if it was, in fact, stuckey whom you were looking at.
    and iirc, gordon was the starting SG when rip went down. he only started a handful of games with stuckey, but it happened.
    @detroitpcb: you can work on passing. practice, practice, practice. if i were joe d i would have strongly suggested stuckey play in the summer league. it may seem demeaning to an established starter, but let’s be realistic here; the guy needs a lot of work. he could have focused on passing, playing with our young players, and perhaps at least picked up a good habit or two.
    also, anyone who says we have “nothing” to lose with t-mac obviously isn’t remotely considering the development of our young players or the future of the team. daye, summers and white need minutes to grow and develop, and every minute you give to t-mac is certainly somewhat of a “risk” in that regard, since you’re just gambling those minutes away on an improbable success story, since we don’t figure to contend (can we even compete?) this year and t-mac is unlikely to be here next year. call it as minor a gamble as you like, it’s a gamble i’d never take.
    also, keep crossing your fingers for stuckey to start getting calls. reputation goes a long way, and he’s earned every ounce of his reputation that nets him no calls whatsoever. make good decisions and the rewards will follow, whether it’s points, assists or whistles.
    @alan: i’m not sure rip would “win” an open competition, but there will be no open competition, so it’s moot. i also would have liked to see stuckey as a possible #4 option (starting alongside bynum), but that’s just my selfish fantasy, and it would essentially require rip’s exit, because i just don’t see anyone bringing rip, gordon and t-mac all off the bench.
    and odeh again: i’m with you on the daye business. he’s not a nightmare for anyone until he proves himself. i can’t tell you how many times i watched him commit a dumb, rookie turnover (by travel or otherwise) and make that “austin daye face” where he cocks his head back and rolls his eyes in a combination of frustration with himself and the refs. it got old real quick. and we shouldn’t ignore daye’s potential issues with foot speed. put him on the floor and see how he holds up before you dub him a defensive juggernaut.
    but you’re wrong about bynum hitting his shot when a defender backs off. dead wrong on that one. he was hitting pull-up jumpers at the top of the key on the reg last season when his man gave him a few feet. and i’m not sure how you can say stuckey is more consistent with his shot when bynum shot a much, much, much better percentage last season. much better. to the tune of .444 against .405. so i don’t know how you think you can get away with a bogus assessment like that.

  • Sep 2, 20101:18 pm
    by nuetes


    i’m still wondering where mcgrady’s minutes are coming from. i can’t seem to figure it out. stuckey and prince will surely get over 30 mpg. rip will come close to that. very conservative estimate stuckey and prince at 32 mpg and rip at 28 mpg that leaves 52 minutes for bynum, gordon, and mcgrady to share, or about 17 minutes a piece. i suppose that could work. or say bynum and mcgrady get about 15 minutes each and gordon gets 21 mpg.
    patrick thinks gordon isn’t a good fit to be a starting SG, and i agree. i’ve always thought that. so what the heck do you do with him? you can’t pay him that much money to play 20 mpg as a 6th man for the next 4 years. they will never build a winner with that cap money tied up in a 6th man. gordon has some good attributes, like his shooting, but how is he much different than j.r. smith? smith is a future and career MLE value player, but gordon is a $55 million dollar player? even if gordon is better is he $4-5 million per year better?
    SG competition – it’s likely mcgrady could win an open competition if he’s completely healthy and still has anything left in his legs. he had some good games for the knicks, but others he looked worn down, slow, and had no hops. he looked tired, and i don’t mean his facial expression. he’s never been a high percentage shooter, but he got to the line and hit threes which elevated his scoring average. can he still get to the line with the same proficiency?

  • Sep 2, 20101:22 pm
    by nuetes


    @laser – not sure you have to walk in someone else’s shoes to empathize with them. all you have to do is try to imagine yourself walking in their shoes. just sayin.

  • Sep 2, 20102:19 pm
    by Alan


    I would also like to see some Bynum/Stuckey backcourt time this season, perhaps not right away.  If it happened right away, I agree with you that Rip would need to go and that could mean a salary dump.  In general, I’m not a fan of salary dumps (unless Detroit is on the receiving end) because it doesn’t really work out until you turn the cap space into a FA signing at season’s end.

    Curious, who do you think would win the open competition at the #2 spot?

  • Sep 2, 20103:32 pm
    by Laser


    @nuetes: i mean, there are different perspectives and no real hard-and-fast rules about it, but it sounds more like sympathy to me. i’m not so sure you can “empathize” with someone who’s experiencing something that far outside your own experience. i think, as a general rule, you should be able to feel (or at least replicate within yourself) the feeling. gordon’s a multimillionaire world famous professional athlete whose “burden” is to play fewer minutes than his fabulously extravagant salary should dictate. i apologized for the nitpick, but i’m not sure how much any of us can truly put ourselves anywhere near gordon’s shoes. i played on a basketball rec league, came off the bench, and played a role that i felt was limited under a player-coach who was unqualified, and i still don’t think i can quite empathize with gordon. not a big deal. as you can see, i enjoy discussing english as much as basketball!
    also, as for overpaying gordon, i’m totally with you on the jr smith comparison. i’ve been shouting from the treetops to anyone who will listen that you don’t need to pay much to get good production out of the SG position. you certainly don’t need to pay one eight figures unless they’re a sure fire perennial all-star, and you never pay two of them that kind of money. unless you’re us. there are bargains galore at SG, and we’re rocking two of the most overpaid SGs in the game, locked up long term. and, even without regard to combinations, we don’t have enough minutes period for both of them. good show, joe d. “four more years! four more years!” until we’re respectable again, that is.
    @alan: i don’t think we’ll have the luxury of pairing bynum and stuckey very much this season. it’s sure to happen at times, but on a team made up almost entirely of wing players, these are the two guys best suited to run the offense (i say “best suited” because i think stuckey would make a good backup PG on a good team, even if i trash him because he’s woefully miscast as a floor leader). there are only 48 minutes at point guard, so they’re not restricted from playing together because the need the rest, but whenever they’re both on the floor together, there will be three of these four (rip, gordon, prince, t-mac) on the bench. unless we’re stupid and make prince a PF again. god, what a team.
    rip’s the rare potential salary dump where simply eliminating him from the roster makes the team better and makes everyone’s lives easier; true addition by subtraction. rarely can you make a significant roster upgrade by throwing a player in the trash, but this is one such case. cap space or not (in this case, not), the contract and player need to go.
    if there were a sincere open competition for our starting 2, i have a hunch gordon would win. he’s probably a better overall player, and pairing him with stuckey is why we got him in the first place. rip pairs better with bynum (both offensively and defensively), and he’s such a liability in this system.
    now if there was an open competition for point guard, i have little doubt bynum would win the job. and in that case, rip probably starts alongside him for the above-stated reasons.

  • Sep 2, 20104:16 pm
    by Patrick Hayes



    I’m sure your post was a bit tongue in cheek, but of all the skills you list Daye having, you don’t mention ball-handling, which is pretty basic necessity for PG play.

  • Sep 2, 20104:18 pm
    by Patrick Hayes



    I think it’s naive to think Stuckey’s FG percentage will significantly improve by playing next to a shooter like Gordon. It’s not like he shot that well when he was backing up Chauncey Billups as a rookie or when he took over the starting job the next year. The fact is, for a guy who gets a majority of his looks from 15 and in, 44ish percent shooting isn’t good enough, let alone the 40ish percent he put up last year. He’s strong, quick and athletic, but he’s not a strong finisher. I hope he can improve it, but it’s going to take more than just spreading the floor. He typically doesn’t get bad shots, he just doesn’t finish enough.

  • Sep 2, 20104:20 pm
    by Patrick Hayes



    “Empathy is the capacity to, through imagination rather than literally, share the sadness or happiness of another sentient being.”

    Come correct.

  • Sep 2, 20104:22 pm
    by Patrick Hayes



    Trading virtually anyone on the roster for Melo would be a good trade if it came with a guarantee that he’d sign. If it too Prince, Daye and Stuckey to get Melo with a contract extension, no way that’s a bad trade for Detroit, and I say that realizing that Melo has some flaws as a player, particularly as a defensive player.

  • Sep 2, 20104:24 pm
    by Patrick Hayes



    Screen-setting is a really good point. The Pistons only have two guys who I’d consider above average screen-setters: Wallace and Jason Maxiell. The biggest issue with Rip is just health. If he’s healthy, I think his shooting percentage will improve.

  • Sep 2, 20104:26 pm
    by Patrick Hayes



    I would guess that if Villanueva doesn’t have a good camp or struggles defensively again, Monroe will move into the starting lineup sometime this season. He could potentially win the job in camp, but it typically takes young bigs a little longer to pick up on the speed and physicality of the NBA post, so I wouldn’t be shocked if Monroe got off to a slow start.

  • Sep 2, 20107:29 pm
    by Laser


    @hayes: i know what empathy is, i prefaced my nitpick with an apology, and i noted that there’s some gray area here (see #12). i don’t know you, but i think there’s a degree of being able to relate to a particular situation that’s probably not met here in order to appropriately classify your feeling as empathy. whatever, it’s not a big deal. but i’m an editor (among other things) by trade, and i thought i’d add the note. as with anything i say, you can take it or leave it. i’m trying to help, not undermine your journalistic integrity.

  • Sep 2, 20107:47 pm
    by Alan


    Exactly!  How on earth is Detroit going to put Maxiel & Wallace on the floor together?!?!  Without two screen setters on the floor together, Rip just cannot be Rip.  Sigh.  I really, really hate salary dumps.  I don’t believe in addition by subtraction but if we cannot get something of value, we may be looking at such a situation.

  • Sep 2, 20108:22 pm
    by Odeh


    This link (http://www.82games.com/0910/09DET4.HTM) supports my argument that Stuckey, Gordan, Prince, Villanueva, Wallace should be our starting unit.  This Top-Five Man Floor Unit was the most successful of all the units going winning 75% of their games, pretty strong numbers considering most other units were less than .500.
    Also, Stuckey shot a higher percentage JUMP shot at .372 compared to Bynum’s .375, which I stated was not too big of a difference.  The main difference in their field goal percentage is their conversion on inside shots…Stuckey at 48% and Bynum at 58% BUT Stuckey draws more fouls when he goes to the rim at 13.6% of his shots compared to Bynum;s 9.9% of his shots.  Laser, I do not make vague assessments, I do my research before I make claims and the facts are facts.

  • Sep 2, 20108:49 pm
    by Odeh


    Also very interesting, a Bynum/Hamilton backcourt had the second worst win percentage at 31.2%.  Laser, go ahead and write a 2 page response, all that fluff doesn’t make it a better argument.

  • Sep 2, 201010:50 pm
    by Laser


    @odeh: it what way is .372 a higher percentage than .375?? this isn’t golf. i mean, it’s an entirely negligible difference, but i know which number is bigger than the other. that said, 1) i’ll take finishing 10% more shots and drawing fouls on 3.7% more any day, and i assume absolutely anyone on the planet would as well. 2) stuckey just plain stinks at running an offense, so what’s the difference? it would take one hell of a stat to convince me stuckey’s a better PG.
    look, if the guy comes out next year and somehow looks like rondo all of a sudden, i’ll be the first to admit that  he took that quantum leap he needed to take that i’m sure he won’t take. but please trust me on this one: i’d MUCH rather have stuckey be the guy we need him to be than have him prove me right. it’s kind of a win-win, but i’d MUCH rather be wrong on this one. in fact, i’d love to be wrong about basically all my predictions, because my forecast is pretty much as grim as it gets.

  • Sep 2, 201010:51 pm
    by Laser


    that item #1 should read: “finishing 10% more shots and drawing fouls on 3.7% FEWER…” but that much should be obvious.

  • Sep 4, 20108:09 am
    by tom


    Some of us in Chicago were happy to see BG go.  He is a terribly inefficient scorer and horrible defender.  In situational plays (like the end of the game), he can never get a good look due to his limited size.  Also, Derrick Rose would never have developed.  Does Detroit need Luol Deng?

  • Sep 5, 20102:48 am
    by Laser


    yes. detroit needs every shooting guard and small forward we can get.

  • Sep 5, 20103:31 pm
    by bg8


    detroit should just start rip at 2 and tmac at 3. prince could come off the bench to play pg, that way, bynum won’t have to play.

    so starting line up of stuckey, rip, tmac, cv, wallace.

    bench team of prince, bg, daye/jonas, jonas/maxiel, monroe

    i think that is pretty good

  • Sep 6, 20108:10 pm
    by Laser


    you think wrong. nobody else here thinks bynum should be out of the rotation. you might find a few t-mac zombies who also (incorrectly) think he should start based on what he could do half a decade ago.

  • Sep 7, 201012:50 pm
    by brgulker


    “I believe that there is absolutely no argument that could be made that Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince are not the best options to start at their respective positions…”
    With Tay aging and fighting injuries and Jerebko young and improving, I think it’s possible that Jerebko will eclipse Tay this year. I’m a “best players play” kind of guy, and I think Jerebko might become a better overall player than Tay this year.
    I could be wrong and will gladly eat some crow if I am … but I think it’s realistically possible.

  • Sep 7, 20106:16 pm
    by Laser


    fat chance. make sure that crow’s thoroughly cooked.

  • Sep 8, 201010:30 am
    by Beebe


    Patrick–good to see you still defending Hamilton despite wanting to sign McGrady….those two viewpoints would seem to be rather diametrically opposed to one another, much like if I were to have “empathy” for a woman giving birth…..:-)

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