Rebuttal: Bill Laimbeer will make an excellent head coach
When I wrote yesterday’s post pointing out why I think it’s flawed reasoning to assume Bill Laimbeer will make a great NBA head coach, I knew it would be a controversial opinion, probably one that puts me in the minority among Pistons fans. So, in fairness, here are a couple of ‘other side’ perspectives.
First, an Outside the Lines piece where former nemesis Charles Barkley says it’s a shame Laimbeer is not a head coach.
Second, there’s definitely a counter-argument to be made, and lo and behold, one showed up in the comments section from a very reputable source, Keri Laimbeer. Here’s her well-thought-out and argued comment:
Althought i respect your opinion and the fact that this IS an opinion piece – I’d have to say its flawed in many areas. Its disturbing to know that someone can write a piece although it is just YOUR piece (clearly not a PUBLISHED piece)that has so many fictions, portraying as fact.
It is true that my dad is not everyone’s favorite person. That comes with the territory that he stepped in when he decided that his role on the Pistons would be that it was. Love him or hate him, he accepted his role and he performed to a T.
Your opinion is based on his coaching ability, so I will try to focus my attention on that part of your piece. Your opinion about his “X & O” are clearly based on someone who did not spend time watching him coach or really understand what his team accomplished. He is a BRILLIANT X & O coach. Ask anyone with a basketball background, or someone who has coached him, played with him, or was coached BY him. Being his daughter, I spend MANY nights up with him in highschool reviewing tapes of upcoming teams and games that were just played. He could see what was going to happen before it happened and it was EVIDENT in the record of his team when he coached. There were many times when he would come up with a play on the fly in a 30 second time out (see the 1st championship Deana Nolan’s shot in the corner last minute of the game). Your opinion is yours so it is respected, but it is wrong.
Regarding his players:
Katie Smith – what you fail to mention is that he negotiated the trade of Katie to the Shock from Minnesota where she played he whole career for basically NOTHING. His ability to GM a team in the league was 2nd to none. You also failed to mention the 15 lbs he demanded she lose so that she could fit the role of point guard for the Shock instead of shooting guard as she played her whole life. (her performance speaks for itself).
Swin Cash – yes, she is a FANTASTIC player. She deserves all the credit in the world. However, you were not privy to the behind the scenes involving her time with the Shock (and i will not make that information public) so you do not understand the dynamics of his coaching of her.
Cheryl Ford – a strong physical player who THRIVED in the Shock’s system. a GREAT PLAYER who had a great system to play in.
His players were brought into Detroit BY HIM. He knew what would work and he made it happen. Hes OFTEN accredited with changing the way the league was played and the way it was coached/GMed because the league had to keep up with his examples.
The 2007 finals were a complete disaster. As the head of the team, he took blame for its collapse – never disclosing the real reasons that the season ended the way it did. (in the WNBA Finals going for a back-to-back) I suppose if its not a championship, its a failure.
I wont even comment on your OPINION of the Swin situation. I am in NO position to comment on it nor would I ever. But my only advice would be to not believe everything you read and to understand that the league is a business - with ALL parties attempting to have their “brand” shown in the best light possible. No winners or losers in that situation. The NBA/WNBA is a players league. No coach is or should be the face of the franchise. They do not sell tickets and they do not win games..its a PLAYERS game. To blame the demise of the Shock on him is pure foolishness. The Shock hold the WNBA attendance record for their finals appearances. He was open and approachable to ALL the WNBA fans. He understood his role in the league and he at times became the leagues ‘dog and pony’ show as they flaunted him around to various appearances and events which he was OPEN to doing. PLEASE do not undermind the work he put into helping the league survive. The WNBA is a money pit. No team makes a profit. It is the sole decision of the owner to decide the fate of a franchise and with all the “changes” and talk about the Pistons and their future… I believe the blame for the team moving belongs on another woman’s shoulders. IMO.
Your opinion is your opinion. Do I believe that he will make a great head coach? ABSOLUTELY. is it because I am his daughter? NO. it is because I know, just like his players, his former coaches and former teammates know what he has the capability to do. he will eventually get his shot and I hope then you are singing another tune.
With respect,
Keri Laimbeer
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Sep 15, 2010 • 10:21 am
by gmehl1977
Ahhh Patrick, I see you brought that can opener with you from mlive. There you go opening that can of worms again. On a serious note though i think one point you brought up about what you can get away with a WNBA player and an NBA player is a vital point that definitely stands out. I love Bill and all but there is definitely a different way you have to handle NBA players to WNBA players or even a college players. I think a NBA head coach has to be a motivator, a leader and to some extent a psychiatrist. Yeah you need to know the X’s & O’s but if you don’ have an understanding of the make up of a guy then how the hell are you supposed to coach him. I personally like the coaching methods of Phil Jackson. I always loved reading about how he used to challenge guys & physco analyze them. I remember reading when he cut up some game tape after the bulls got blown out. He spliced it with footage from the Wizard of Oz. Parts of the game where guys got beat to rebounds or pushed to the ground were spliced with footage of the Tin man asking for a heart or the Lion asking for some courage. Through out the season Phil would give every player a book to read that he associated with that player.
Cutting a long story short i think a coach to a certain extent has to be able to interact with players on so many levels. You could be a great X’s & O’s guys but if you can’t connect with all types of personalities then it all counts for nothing. By all means i am not saying Bill won’t make a good NBA head coach but from his WBNA coaching stint i think he has proven that he will coach one way…and that is Bill Laimbeer’s way. Just imagine what he would of done with Darko (we could only wish).
Sep 15, 2010 • 10:27 am
by Patrick Hayes
Response to Keri’s comment is here. She raises some points I hadn’t considered for sure, but I can’t say that I agree 100 percent with everything she wrote. Disagreement and discussion is a good thing and having my opinions question is a good thing. I won’t run from it.
Sep 15, 2010 • 10:34 am
by Patrick Hayes
@gmehl:
The overall point I’m trying to make (and I think Dan and I are trying to make with the whole ‘myths’ series this week) is that there are multiple ways of looking at things and multiple perspectives to consider in sports. Did I write this because I’m out to see Laimbeer fail? No, not by any stretch. I wrote it because I think there’s other things to consider when hiring a coach, particularly someone who would be a first-time NBA head coach, than just “we loved him as a player, he knows the game, so let’s hire him!”
Sep 15, 2010 • 2:17 pm
by arjae828
NO WAY Laimbeer could coach in the NBA. He typifies the old timer who doesn’t understand (or want to) or respect the new school game. Fundamentals are great, for an assistant. But to be a head coach in the NBA is so much more than that. It’s more about being a confident for the younger players, managing egos, and helping the team jell (see: karl, george). This issue with Laimbeer would be that he has an arrogance about him that’s only partially deserved. While he did win 2 rings, his coaching resume leaves a lot to be desired.
referring to him spotting offensive schemes before they happened…in a high school game? really? that makes him one of the foremost minds in defensive basketball? pretty sure tom thibadeau and larry brown can point some things out in those games before they happen too. Kudos for the backheaded swin cash comments. Even if she was a head case, what star player isn’t? Kobe. LeBron. Carmelo. Arenas. Not saying it’s right but all players are premadonas and/or headcases. At least the star players are worth it. Clearly Laimbeer isn’t equipped to handle this. And those shenanigans won’t fly in the NBA with fully grown men. Imagine Bill Laimbeer calling Ben Wallace a crack head! (see: Carlesimo, P.J.)
Sep 15, 2010 • 4:00 pm
by Keri Laimbeer
arjae828 -
you misunderstood my point. i said WHEN I WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL, i watched WITH HIM as he analyzed HIS FILMS of HIS GAMES. perhaps i didn’t clarify that enough.
Backhanded Swin Cash compliment? Swin and I are friends, I have nothing but respect for her as a player and as a person. you are highly mistaken and flat out wrong with that statement.
I refuse to go back and forth with you about this. I gave my opinion to the author and I’ve spoken to him. I was not disrespectful AT ALL, it seems you are trying to stir confrontation where its not necessary.
Again, like I said before, everyone’s opinion is their own to have. I will not fault you for yours. but to make personal attacks speaks on your character and no response is necessary.
and if you, or anyone else would like to have an actual discussion about this instead of throwing insults I would HAPPILY oblige -
Keri_Laimbeer on twitter
Klaimbeer@gmail.com
Sep 15, 2010 • 4:20 pm
by Glenn
Boom, roasted!
I’m not going to go into the actual facts of this debate. Just wanted to give kudos to Keri for using her name and listing her email in an age of “anonymous sources” and “someone close to the situation.” You’ll probably some crap in your inbox, but way to be.
Sep 15, 2010 • 4:45 pm
by Patrick Hayes
@arjae:
Without getting into your opinion, there’s one important thing that needs to be pointed out here: Ms. Laimbeer disagreed with my take, stated it in a respectful (but strong) manner and used her real name and identity to do so. That’s a really brave move on her part.
I get that the internet offers anonymity, and I get the legit reasons why people don’t always comment with their real names. But your comment, with the sniping in it, is a reason why anonymous internet commenters get a bad wrap — it’s easy to take shots at someone and not put your name on it.
Feel free to disagree with hers, mine or any post on this site based on the merits of the argument. That’s part of what makes this site fun — many, many different opinions are represented. But there’s no need to get personal, and if you feel there absolutely is a need to, then put your name on it.
Sep 16, 2010 • 12:15 am
by Regan
Laimbeer would probably be a terrible head coach. Whether or not he has knowledge, his arrogance wouldn’t allow him to function with the egos in the NBA.
There’s a reason why the winningest coach in NBA history regularly takes naps on the bench. Xs and Os aren’t the most important thing, especially if you have a veteran team which coaches itself (ala the current Lakers).
Sep 16, 2010 • 3:57 pm
by DoctorDaveT.com
Hey, PP,
these two on Laimbeer were two more great posts.
Keri, I loved your Dad as a Bad Boy. We all loved your Dad! “White Men Can’t Jump” – but they can play championship caliber basketball.
The original argument that Laimbeer lucked into good team players is a bunch of hooey. Coaching matters. The longer the span of games is considered, the more important coaching is. Your Dad obviously knows his hoops.
But the NBA and WNBA are not equal beasts. It’s hard to imagine the “super-star-babies” of the NBA putting up with your Dad’s antics. In fact, it would be hard to imagine NFL teams putting up with your Dad.
I think he has the mind to be a great coach; but at the NBA level, it has yet to be seen that he has the temperament.
If he can prove it elsewhere, I’d love to have him back in DTown. (But I’d hate to see him pull a Trammell here.)