Comments on: Myth: The Detroit Pistons need a pure point guard to be an elite team again http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:41:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8062 Patrick Hayes Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:52:42 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-8062 @David: "then in the next year or 2 sign a big name FA and make a run for the playoffs." If it were only that simple. First, the Pistons are capped out. Even with Prince and eventually Hamilton's deal coming off the books over the next couple seasons, they will have nowhere near enough cap room to sign the "big name" free agent you crave. They are invested in Gordon/Villanueva long term. Stuckey is eligible for an extension and raise. They will have to make decisions on whether to sign Jerebko and Daye long term over the next two offseasons. And on top of that, there's a chance that the team won't be very good the next two seasons, making it less likely a big name free agent would consider Detroit. Your scenario is not impossible, but it would be much more practical if the Pistons could find a way to be competitive with many of the guys they have now, since there will probably be no getting rid of them for a while. @David:
“then in the next year or 2 sign a big name FA and make a run for the playoffs.”
If it were only that simple. First, the Pistons are capped out. Even with Prince and eventually Hamilton’s deal coming off the books over the next couple seasons, they will have nowhere near enough cap room to sign the “big name” free agent you crave.
They are invested in Gordon/Villanueva long term. Stuckey is eligible for an extension and raise. They will have to make decisions on whether to sign Jerebko and Daye long term over the next two offseasons.
And on top of that, there’s a chance that the team won’t be very good the next two seasons, making it less likely a big name free agent would consider Detroit.
Your scenario is not impossible, but it would be much more practical if the Pistons could find a way to be competitive with many of the guys they have now, since there will probably be no getting rid of them for a while.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8060 Patrick Hayes Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:48:11 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-8060 @Quick Darshan: "As to the question of who the Pistons can run the offense through, I think Austin Daye will be that guy. " I agree with your take on Daye's skillset. I have serious questions as to whether or not he'll be on the floor much. At least initially, all of the wing minutes will go to Rip/Prince/McGrady/Gordon. Not much room for Daye in there. @Quick Darshan:
“As to the question of who the Pistons can run the offense through, I think Austin Daye will be that guy. ”
I agree with your take on Daye’s skillset. I have serious questions as to whether or not he’ll be on the floor much. At least initially, all of the wing minutes will go to Rip/Prince/McGrady/Gordon. Not much room for Daye in there.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8059 Patrick Hayes Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:43:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-8059 @nuetes: "They could win with Stuckey, then again they could also win without Stuckey." That is probably the best way Rodney Stuckey has ever been described. @nuetes:
“They could win with Stuckey, then again they could also win without Stuckey.”
That is probably the best way Rodney Stuckey has ever been described.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8058 Patrick Hayes Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:41:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-8058 @Kris: I agree with your take on Kuester. He's not a non-traditional coach by any stretch. And while I had great hope he would be, I probably shouldn't have expected otherwise. His offense in Cleveland was basically a bunch of guys standing around LeBron. Now, the ball moved b/c LeBron is a great passer and very unselfish superstar, so perhaps Kuester's offensive schemes there looked better than they actually were as a result of LeBron James running them so well. @Kris:
I agree with your take on Kuester. He’s not a non-traditional coach by any stretch. And while I had great hope he would be, I probably shouldn’t have expected otherwise.
His offense in Cleveland was basically a bunch of guys standing around LeBron. Now, the ball moved b/c LeBron is a great passer and very unselfish superstar, so perhaps Kuester’s offensive schemes there looked better than they actually were as a result of LeBron James running them so well.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8057 Patrick Hayes Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:39:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-8057 @dkelly5050: "the problem fans have is that each of the young point guards you mentioned, including rose, rondo, williams, paul, westbrook, wall, jennings, nelson, evans, and others, are all perceived as superior players to stuckey, both at this point in their careers and in the near future." I definitely agree that those guys are all superior players, but I would also argue that each of those guys is the first or second best player on his team. I would view Stuckey as a very good third or fourth best player on a team. Of course, for this to happen in Detroit, the Pistons would need three players who are significantly better than him, and I'm not sure they currently have that. They have a bunch of guys who are either a little better or a little worse than him. @dkelly5050:
“the problem fans have is that each of the young point guards you mentioned, including rose, rondo, williams, paul, westbrook, wall, jennings, nelson, evans, and others, are all perceived as superior players to stuckey, both at this point in their careers and in the near future.”
I definitely agree that those guys are all superior players, but I would also argue that each of those guys is the first or second best player on his team. I would view Stuckey as a very good third or fourth best player on a team. Of course, for this to happen in Detroit, the Pistons would need three players who are significantly better than him, and I’m not sure they currently have that. They have a bunch of guys who are either a little better or a little worse than him.

]]> By: nuetes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8040 nuetes Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:06:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-8040 @ david - i honestly don't see how t-mac playing or not playing is going to impact the win total. whether he plays every game or zero games it really doesn't matter. if he plays he's taking minutes away from someone that is most likely as productive as he is, and if he doesn't play than those players that are as productive as he is get his minutes. that sounded confusing i'm sure. the pistons are stacked with players as productive as t-mac, therefore, not productive enough. if he doesn't play someone else will and the production won't suffer.   that being said yeah i agree the pistons are most likely not making the playoffs. the other two reasons are valid, but t-mac's impact is not imo. @ david – i honestly don’t see how t-mac playing or not playing is going to impact the win total. whether he plays every game or zero games it really doesn’t matter. if he plays he’s taking minutes away from someone that is most likely as productive as he is, and if he doesn’t play than those players that are as productive as he is get his minutes. that sounded confusing i’m sure. the pistons are stacked with players as productive as t-mac, therefore, not productive enough. if he doesn’t play someone else will and the production won’t suffer.
 
that being said yeah i agree the pistons are most likely not making the playoffs. the other two reasons are valid, but t-mac’s impact is not imo.

]]> By: David http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8031 David Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:07:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-8031 personally i think this team will miss the playoffs. here are my reasons. 1. t-mac will only play 35 games due to injury. 2. lack of real defense. (especially when gordon & charlie v are in the game). 3. charlie v. he's never passed on a 3 pointer he couldn't hit. i would rather see the young guys get lots of playing time and let them learn too play together. then in the next year or 2 sign a big name FA and make a run for the playoffs. we have some decent young players on this team ( jerebko, monroe, daye, white and summers). with stuckey, and he becomes a take over kind of player, these guys could mesh in the future for a really nice young team with lots of future. personally i think this team will miss the playoffs. here are my reasons.
1. t-mac will only play 35 games due to injury.
2. lack of real defense. (especially when gordon & charlie v are in the game).
3. charlie v. he’s never passed on a 3 pointer he couldn’t hit.
i would rather see the young guys get lots of playing time and let them learn too play together. then in the next year or 2 sign a big name FA and make a run for the playoffs. we have some decent young players on this team ( jerebko, monroe, daye, white and summers). with stuckey, and he becomes a take over kind of player, these guys could mesh in the future for a really nice young team with lots of future.

]]> By: Quick Darshan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8010 Quick Darshan Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:06:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-8010 I think the question with Stuckey is should he be at the top or on the wing.  On the wing and in the post, he's near impossible to stop.  But, when he attacks from the top, he seems to get in trouble and has trouble finishing.  It's probably because he's a straight line driver. As to the question of who the Pistons can run the offense through, I think Austin Daye will be that guy.  He's a great ball-handler and passer and with his size he can see over the defense.  Plus, with his stroke, he'll probably be a deadly outside shooter to keep defenses from sagging down the way they do with Stuckey. I see Daye at the top feeding the likes of Stuckey, Hamilton and Gordon coming off screens. I think the question with Stuckey is should he be at the top or on the wing.  On the wing and in the post, he’s near impossible to stop.  But, when he attacks from the top, he seems to get in trouble and has trouble finishing.  It’s probably because he’s a straight line driver.

As to the question of who the Pistons can run the offense through, I think Austin Daye will be that guy.  He’s a great ball-handler and passer and with his size he can see over the defense.  Plus, with his stroke, he’ll probably be a deadly outside shooter to keep defenses from sagging down the way they do with Stuckey.

I see Daye at the top feeding the likes of Stuckey, Hamilton and Gordon coming off screens.

]]> By: Friday Bullets | Your NBA News http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7992 Friday Bullets | Your NBA News Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:54:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-7992 [...] defending Rodney Stuckey as an NBA point guard, Patrick Hayes of PistonPowered says you don’t need a great point guard to be great: “NBA Finals point guards over the last 20 years have included names like Derek Fisher, Ron [...] [...] defending Rodney Stuckey as an NBA point guard, Patrick Hayes of PistonPowered says you don’t need a great point guard to be great: “NBA Finals point guards over the last 20 years have included names like Derek Fisher, Ron [...]

]]> By: nuetes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/09/myth-the-detroit-pistons-need-a-pure-point-guard-to-be-an-elite-team-again/comment-page-1/#comment-7976 nuetes Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:01:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3316#comment-7976 I've said this a million times, but what the Pistons need is not an elite PG, they need an elite player. It doesn't matter what position he plays. It could be a PG, or it could be a SG, SF, PF, or C. It doesn't matter. Stuckey takes some unfair criticism because the Pistons lack an elite talent, and for some reason Stuckey was expected by most fans to become that type of player. It didn't pan out and it seems the organization made quite the investment hoping for that outcome by trading their star PG in Billups to let him take the reigns. They could win with Stuckey, then again they could also win without Stuckey, but they can't win anything without an elite player. I’ve said this a million times, but what the Pistons need is not an elite PG, they need an elite player. It doesn’t matter what position he plays. It could be a PG, or it could be a SG, SF, PF, or C. It doesn’t matter. Stuckey takes some unfair criticism because the Pistons lack an elite talent, and for some reason Stuckey was expected by most fans to become that type of player. It didn’t pan out and it seems the organization made quite the investment hoping for that outcome by trading their star PG in Billups to let him take the reigns. They could win with Stuckey, then again they could also win without Stuckey, but they can’t win anything without an elite player.

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