Comments on: Reports: Detroit Pistons sign Tracy McGrady to one-year deal, he agrees to come off the bench http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 01:40:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-7054 frankie d Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:46:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-7054 everyone is talking as though it is a fait accompli that tay and/or rip will now be traded. excuse me, but i certainly don't recall hearing joe d say anything of the sort.  in fact, everything he has implied or hinted  at - and done or not done - in his statements indicates that he will keep both players. logic might dictate that both be traded, but logically, rip should have been traded before or just after he signed gordon.  now, one year later, both gordon and rip are still on the roster and it doesn't look like joe d is any closer to trading either. the best chance of someone trading for rip and his bad contract was this summer when all those teams still had salary cap space because they were in the bidding for free agents.  now, most of those teams have filled up their space via trades and signings and it will be that much harder to trade him.  if joe ever really wanted to trade him. so adding mcgrady to what is already a logjam, with no concurrent action to trade current players, is just plain crazy to me, and imho what will happen will be a combination of  the iverson fiasco and last year's roster turmoil.  it makes no sense whatsoever. everyone is talking as though it is a fait accompli that tay and/or rip will now be traded.
excuse me, but i certainly don’t recall hearing joe d say anything of the sort.  in fact, everything he has implied or hinted  at – and done or not done – in his statements indicates that he will keep both players.
logic might dictate that both be traded, but logically, rip should have been traded before or just after he signed gordon.  now, one year later, both gordon and rip are still on the roster and it doesn’t look like joe d is any closer to trading either.
the best chance of someone trading for rip and his bad contract was this summer when all those teams still had salary cap space because they were in the bidding for free agents.  now, most of those teams have filled up their space via trades and signings and it will be that much harder to trade him.  if joe ever really wanted to trade him.
so adding mcgrady to what is already a logjam, with no concurrent action to trade current players, is just plain crazy to me, and imho what will happen will be a combination of  the iverson fiasco and last year’s roster turmoil.  it makes no sense whatsoever.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-7053 frankie d Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:31:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-7053 @ Patrick Hayes, imho, JJ is a sf. i think it's pretty clear that right now in his career, he gets physically overmatched against any halfway decent power forward.  he simply is not strong enough to guard any but the weakest, mediocre power forwards. however, he can be dominant at the sf, imho.  physically, he more than holds his own, and he has the length and the quick feet that allow him to guard most sfs, even some of the most athletic.   insisting on playing him at a position where he may survive, but not thrive is a big mistake, but one that is dictated by the ridiculously imbalanced roster. and you are correct about the pistons never giving young players what i consider a legitimate shot.  joe will always plug in an average or just good enough vet, and refuse to take a chance on a young guy who might develop into a much better player.  (prince and stuckey are the only players who haven't fallen into that trap, and there are specific, unique reasons each got a fair shot.) the refusal to develop young talent, a weird, almost palpable antipathy to giving young players a  real chance, is why detroit is in this self-generated limbo where they are not really rebuilding, but not really good enough to challenge for anything other than the last spot in the playoffs. i'd much rather give a young player a chance, than muddle through with a vet whose main motivation is finding a way to scam one more decent contract before he retires.  the young guy will provide much more for the team, while the vet - like mcgrady - will always be selfishly looking at and playing for that last future contract he wants and needs. @ Patrick Hayes,
imho, JJ is a sf.
i think it’s pretty clear that right now in his career, he gets physically overmatched against any halfway decent power forward.  he simply is not strong enough to guard any but the weakest, mediocre power forwards.
however, he can be dominant at the sf, imho.  physically, he more than holds his own, and he has the length and the quick feet that allow him to guard most sfs, even some of the most athletic.   insisting on playing him at a position where he may survive, but not thrive is a big mistake, but one that is dictated by the ridiculously imbalanced roster.
and you are correct about the pistons never giving young players what i consider a legitimate shot.  joe will always plug in an average or just good enough vet, and refuse to take a chance on a young guy who might develop into a much better player.  (prince and stuckey are the only players who haven’t fallen into that trap, and there are specific, unique reasons each got a fair shot.)
the refusal to develop young talent, a weird, almost palpable antipathy to giving young players a  real chance, is why detroit is in this self-generated limbo where they are not really rebuilding, but not really good enough to challenge for anything other than the last spot in the playoffs.
i’d much rather give a young player a chance, than muddle through with a vet whose main motivation is finding a way to scam one more decent contract before he retires.  the young guy will provide much more for the team, while the vet – like mcgrady – will always be selfishly looking at and playing for that last future contract he wants and needs.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-6926 Laser Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:33:20 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-6926 forgot to add: the only way you could dream of getting value for rip is if you traded him when his salary was only partially guaranteed or expiring. that would mean holding onto him for two or three more seasons, respectively.   if you trade him after two more seasons, he only offers $9 million in potential cap relief, because the last year of his contract is partially guaranteed. if you keep him and fully guarantee the last year of his contract (which you'd probably have to be insane to do), he represents almost $13 million in cap relief.   so the questions are, (1) what can you get in exchange for that kind of cap relief? and (2) is it worth having two or three MORE seasons of this horrendous backcourt situation we've had for two seasons already AND that figures to be even worse with the addition of t-mac??   my answers are unequivocally (1) not enough and (2) no.   i could see the nets taking on rip as a way to add talent without losing any. they have a ways to go in the rebuilding process, and if this past offseason is any indication, they might not think they could attract a marquee free agent just yet, which i don't think they can. at the very least they have to start doing some winning, and rip could help them do that. forgot to add: the only way you could dream of getting value for rip is if you traded him when his salary was only partially guaranteed or expiring. that would mean holding onto him for two or three more seasons, respectively.
 
if you trade him after two more seasons, he only offers $9 million in potential cap relief, because the last year of his contract is partially guaranteed. if you keep him and fully guarantee the last year of his contract (which you’d probably have to be insane to do), he represents almost $13 million in cap relief.
 
so the questions are, (1) what can you get in exchange for that kind of cap relief? and (2) is it worth having two or three MORE seasons of this horrendous backcourt situation we’ve had for two seasons already AND that figures to be even worse with the addition of t-mac??
 
my answers are unequivocally (1) not enough and (2) no.
 
i could see the nets taking on rip as a way to add talent without losing any. they have a ways to go in the rebuilding process, and if this past offseason is any indication, they might not think they could attract a marquee free agent just yet, which i don’t think they can. at the very least they have to start doing some winning, and rip could help them do that.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-6922 Laser Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:13:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-6922 for the record, i wasn't talking about some midseason trade. i'm talking about a trade before training camp. all six of our perimeter veterans CAN NOT and WILL NOT play effectively together. 24 minutes apiece. right. fat chance. there is no way dumars convinced him to come here to play behind five other perimeter players. no way at all. how could anyone think these guys all make sense on the same roster? you'd have to be mental.   my hunch is that this just softens the blow of having to trade rip for nothing. rip's contract negates every bit of production he adds, so you can't get any value for him. if you want him gone (and i'd say the pistons downright NEED him gone. heck, they needed him gone before t-mac came along), you can't expect to get anything in return. getting his contract off the books is probably all you can expect in return. so this way it's like trading for t-mac. the chauncey trade gone right. that's the only way i can make sense of this.   if we go into the season with all these guys, the team is going to be embarrassing, and nobody is going to be happy or productive. this is not a good environment for establishing value for your players. maybe a team like the nets (who have a new billionaire owner, cap space, struck out in free agency, and could use a veteran shooter and proven scorer) takes him off our hands. we won't get any talent in return, but being out from under that contract will be its own reward.   the thing is, i don't think it's possible for rip to establish value commensurate with that contract. look at his track record since he's been in detroit (and been in the league, really). if he's healthy you know what you're getting from him. whether you think he's worth his salary or not, you certainly can't call him a steal at $12,650,000.00. so the best we can reasonably expect is someone taking him period.   if joe goes into the season with the team as it's currently constructed, he needs to be slapped. for the record, i wasn’t talking about some midseason trade. i’m talking about a trade before training camp. all six of our perimeter veterans CAN NOT and WILL NOT play effectively together. 24 minutes apiece. right. fat chance. there is no way dumars convinced him to come here to play behind five other perimeter players. no way at all. how could anyone think these guys all make sense on the same roster? you’d have to be mental.
 
my hunch is that this just softens the blow of having to trade rip for nothing. rip’s contract negates every bit of production he adds, so you can’t get any value for him. if you want him gone (and i’d say the pistons downright NEED him gone. heck, they needed him gone before t-mac came along), you can’t expect to get anything in return. getting his contract off the books is probably all you can expect in return. so this way it’s like trading for t-mac. the chauncey trade gone right. that’s the only way i can make sense of this.
 
if we go into the season with all these guys, the team is going to be embarrassing, and nobody is going to be happy or productive. this is not a good environment for establishing value for your players. maybe a team like the nets (who have a new billionaire owner, cap space, struck out in free agency, and could use a veteran shooter and proven scorer) takes him off our hands. we won’t get any talent in return, but being out from under that contract will be its own reward.
 
the thing is, i don’t think it’s possible for rip to establish value commensurate with that contract. look at his track record since he’s been in detroit (and been in the league, really). if he’s healthy you know what you’re getting from him. whether you think he’s worth his salary or not, you certainly can’t call him a steal at $12,650,000.00. so the best we can reasonably expect is someone taking him period.
 
if joe goes into the season with the team as it’s currently constructed, he needs to be slapped.

]]> By: The Rake http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-6902 The Rake Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:10:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-6902 If Prince is moved as a result of this signing, I may stop being a fan.  I'm serious. Thats forfeiting roughly 25 years of fandom. It better not happen as a direct result of this. If Rip goes (preferred) then I am okay.  I still f*cking hate T-Mac. If Prince is moved as a result of this signing, I may stop being a fan.  I’m serious. Thats forfeiting roughly 25 years of fandom. It better not happen as a direct result of this. If Rip goes (preferred) then I am okay.  I still f*cking hate T-Mac.

]]> By: nwkking http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-6888 nwkking Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:26:13 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-6888 ok my last one lol who would you rather have kwame brown or tracy mcgrady? im done! lol ok my last one lol who would you rather have kwame brown or tracy mcgrady? im done! lol

]]> By: nwkking http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-6886 nwkking Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:14:39 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-6886 the  only player we have that actually played more playoff games then lebron is rip/tay/big ben stuckey/bynum/white  rip/gordon tashaun/mcgrady/austin daye  charlie v/max/jonas j big ben/greg monroe summers and wilcox???? the  only player we have that actually played more playoff games then lebron is rip/tay/big ben

stuckey/bynum/white 
rip/gordon
tashaun/mcgrady/austin daye 
charlie v/max/jonas j
big ben/greg monroe
summers and wilcox????

]]> By: nwkking http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-6885 nwkking Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:56:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-6885 we are one of the deepest teams in the nba we never really had a true center and i dont think we need 1 now big ben and monroe got that 5 spot everybody talking about trade rip he is over paid! but who is better? amir johnson got 35 mill you telling me rip not worth his contract?! thats crazy!! tay this is his last year anyway but who is better than tay? he is a olympic gold winner,allstar,7 years playoff experience and a champion if it wasnt for rip and tay we would'nt have had a championship in 04 now that they a little older and had injuries [tay first season] we want to get rid of them?what kind of fan are you? we are one of the deepest teams in the nba we never really had a true center and i dont think we need 1 now big ben and monroe got that 5 spot everybody talking about trade rip he is over paid! but who is better? amir johnson got 35 mill you telling me rip not worth his contract?! thats crazy!! tay this is his last year anyway but who is better than tay? he is a olympic gold winner,allstar,7 years playoff experience and a champion if it wasnt for rip and tay we would’nt have had a championship in 04 now that they a little older and had injuries [tay first season] we want to get rid of them?what kind of fan are you?

]]> By: nwkking http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-6881 nwkking Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:33:42 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-6881 why dont everyone give the rotation a chance if wade lebron and bosh can play together why cant rip,tay,gordon and mcgrady? our young players can learn from mcgrady he is a vet its all on john kuester to put a lineup together there is no excuses now we have a talented team just the way it is we have a mini allstar team in the d if we stay healthy we will be a problem for any team none of our draft picks are better than mcgrady so be patient we will shock the nba like we did in 04 dettttttttttttttttttttttroit basssssssssssssket ballllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll why dont everyone give the rotation a chance if wade lebron and bosh can play together why cant rip,tay,gordon and mcgrady? our young players can learn from mcgrady he is a vet its all on john kuester to put a lineup together there is no excuses now we have a talented team just the way it is we have a mini allstar team in the d if we stay healthy we will be a problem for any team none of our draft picks are better than mcgrady so be patient we will shock the nba like we did in 04 dettttttttttttttttttttttroit basssssssssssssket ballllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/reports-detroit-pistons-sign-tracy-mcgrady-to-one-year-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-6880 Patrick Hayes Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:24:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3239#comment-6880 @Josh V: I think Hamilton has to prove he's healthy first before a team would take a chance on him, and I think the Pistons will have to take back an equally onerous contract in return. I really don't see many quality bigs out there right now that teams would be willing to part with. @Josh V:
I think Hamilton has to prove he’s healthy first before a team would take a chance on him, and I think the Pistons will have to take back an equally onerous contract in return. I really don’t see many quality bigs out there right now that teams would be willing to part with.

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