Comments on: My guess is the Pistons will inquire about Carmelo Anthony’s availability

By: Laser

Laser — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:30:41 +0000

wow. bold, unfounded prediction about daye there. i’ll tip my hat for that one. but you’re certainly right about sacrificing all that stuff for the rights to any player for 82 games who doesn’t significantly increase your chances of winning a championship.

and even if he could get you one (1) championship and for some reason wouldn’t stick around (though it seems likely that he’d leave immediately after winning a championship), it’s still quite a lot to give up.

By: detroitpcb

detroitpcb — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:54 +0000

u have to be nuts. I would never give up Prince, Stuck, Daye, and a first round draft pick for Melo. Hell, in 3 years Daye will be a better player than Melo.

By: Dan Feldman

Dan Feldman — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:45:15 +0000

Nuetes, this is a brilliant comment on Sheed:

"He was a smart player, smart enough to know how to have an impact by exerting zero effort, that is a rare skill."

By: Laser

Laser — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:49:08 +0000

what point did i prove? what was your point? that nobody knows what may have happened in an alternate past? perhaps i could have added this: if you can’t go back and re-do the past, best to guess it probably would have gone the same way as it did. no sense second-guessing it.

my main point is that i hardly think joe dumars would let a coach influence his drafts. dumars doesn’t even let his coaches stay the length of their contracts! i like hypotheticals to an extent, but there’s no point in guessing what influence an already-fired coach may have had.

you seem like an alright guy, but there’s something about your arguments that irks me. maybe it’s how you plop in with a smug little sentence that assumes you have it all figured out. and not only do your suppositions make no sense to me, but you offer no support for them. it’s akin to popping into a discussion on math and saying, “five plus one equals thirty, and it’s so obvious i don’t have to explain it to someone with a brain.” there’s a seeming arrogance to that approach to debate, but i suspect from your latest response that you’re just here to mess around. possibly just to bug people. so i can’t fault that method of “argument,” as i’m sure it bugs anyone who actually cares about what we’re discussing.

By: Quin

Quin — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:09:41 +0000

This is fun. I was just giving you the logical response to your decision to excuse the Darko mistake with “everyone was looking for the next Dirk?” But hey, I don’t know anything about the inner-workings of trades, so maybe logic isn’t valid without more factual knowledge.
What’s really funny is that you just proved my entire point by trying to discredit my argument by pointing out that nobody would agree with me. We call that irony.
I appreciate that you give ounces of credit here and there. You converse well and give thorough responses, when you aren’t using O’Reilly-esque insults and dismissals. I would like to read a blog by you. Consider it. That way you can place your own original ideas into view, and not everything will be reactive to someone else’s. (That’s a little unfair. In truth, what I’ve seen is too long and technical for me to be interested, so I don’t know.)

By: Laser

Laser — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:06:03 +0000

wtf am i heavily influenced by? there are plenty of people here who disagree with my opinions, but i don’t think you’ll find anyone who agrees with your first paragraph. if you were paying a shred of attention you’d notice i’m constantly disagreeing with people, a far cry from “buying into the hype and rhetoric.” also, someone bashing the darko pick just accused me of being influenced by hype and rhetoric. that’s got to be a first!

quin, i swear man. i’ll give you credit for this: sometimes you prove to be an independent thinker. i don’t know how many people think joe dumars is actively seeking ‘melo right now. at maximum, after he made a call and offered rip or something and was hung up on, he let it go. A) nobody with any brains thinks we could put together a package that could ever land ‘melo. in order to do that you need “assets.” the contracts we have are what’s called “liabilities.” those words are antonyms, and the good one is the one we don’t have. that’s “assets,” just to be clear. B) nobody with any brains thinks ‘melo would ever stay with detroit after his contract expires this season. C) nobody trades heaps of assets (which, in case you forgot, we don’t even have enough of to begin with) for a rental player in a season where they can’t win anyways. least of all at a position where that team is already loaded. even joe dumars wouldn’t do that.

the fun thing about this is that nobody can prove for certain how the past might have gone under different circumstances, but as long as you keep writing silly, ridiculous sh!t lik you always do, i don’t have to trouble myself with refuting your nonsense. you can’t talk sense to a crazy person. but it’s surprisingly fun to try.

By: Quin

Quin — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:08:53 +0000

Your problem is that you’re too heavily influenced by hype and rhetoric. There are things you can just see on your own, without tuning into what Everyone Else is thinking.

I’ll tell you what you don’t need a workout to see: a player leading Syracuse of all teams to a national championship … against his future peers — One who we’re actively trying to figure out how to land at this moment.

By: Laser

Laser — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:20:15 +0000

sorry quin, but you’re wrong. you’re just wrong.

he was drafted based on potential. that’s not the stuff you’re going to necessarily see in a workout. and, hey, who’s to say he wouldn’t have been a better player if larry brown had at least tried to develop him. plus you’re giving the coach too much credit for influencing draft picks. we’ve had like six coaches in six years. you think joe dumars is going to let an underling make a decision like that? fat chance.

also working against you in this argument is that your track record for thoughtful analysis is a joke. you called tayshaun a bum, gave sheed no credit for the championship, saying he walked onto a championship team and calling villanueva an upgrade. and you tried to bolster your argument by saying that nobody’s clamoring for him now. he’s like 36, retired, and he was a bum for his last maybe three seasons here, but he was a major part of the championship team and gave us a few good years.

we agree on a few things, such as liking bynum and jerebko and wanting stuckey gone, but i don’t exactly consider you a bastion of credibility and thoughtful analysis.

By: Quin

Quin — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:34:21 +0000

At some point, somebody worked Darko out and decided he wasn’t ready to contribute. That point would be more clear to a coach. The Pistons didn’t have one –one who knew the team– when they drafted Darko. I’m not looking into Carlisle’s mind, lol. I’m making the point that Larry Brown’s ultimate discovery could have been made sooner, like during the initial workout.

Everybody, bla bla. It was a foreseeably bad decision and the only fantasy is the big excuse spectators and Pistons management alike make for the advocation for that decision before the draft: “anybody would have done it.” Ha! Misery loves company.

By: Laser

Laser — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:30:33 +0000

i stopped reading when you said “if we kept rick carlisle, there’s no way we would have drafted darko.” you live in a dream world.

darko was the CONSENSUS #2 pick. for his UPSIDE. everybody wanted to get their hands on the next dirk nowitzki if they couldn’t land the first lebron james. anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless. i put the chances that anyone passed on darko with the #2 pick at around zero.