http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Thu, 23 May 2013 12:39:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/comment-page-1/#comment-7118 Laser Sat, 14 Aug 2010 03:30:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/#comment-7118 nobody's health is a certainty. thing is, even with mcgrady we are a DEEP team. depth isn't our problem. we are plenty deep. we got shattered by injuries last season, and we had plenty of guys to step up. and really, we don't have anyone SO good that we can't afford to lose them. if it's not big ben, i suppose tayshaun's the least expendable. but we've got guys who can fill in effectively for even our most valuable guys, as jj and max did for tay and ben.   the problem is that we've got 15 players who are bunched very tightly together as far as talent level and overall value to the team. 15 guys who can contribute in some way, not really anyone who stands very far above the crowd. ask ten people who the least expendable piston is and you'll get six different answers. we have plenty of guys who are B players, and a few As depending on who you ask.   our opinions obviously differ, but i'd say we have a very pressing need to make a deal. i don't understand how any sane, rational person could think stuckey, rip, bynum, gordon, tayshaun and t-mac have a chance at success. it's a recipe for unhappy, unproductive players. there's only 24 minutes for each, and daye rots on the bench with summers and white. at any given time there's almost certainly at least (and, realistically, at most) three of them on the bench.   with a very deep and solid frontcourt i'd have serious doubts about all these guys getting playing time and thriving as a unit. the only CHANCE i could see it working is on a superteam making a run with the deepest perimeter in the history of the game (if you can think of a deeper one, ever, name it). so everyone sacrifices shots and minutes (to an unfathomable extent, so much so that everyone's going to have to find a rhythm in 30 seconds or probably head right back to the bench. and why, really, would you bother leaving any one of these guys in if it looks like they're having an off night?) in the hope of winning a title. nobody thinks that's happening.   what do we have to accomplish here? the only "upside" angle here is that you could theoretically throw out whatever combination of players you want in an attempt to create matchup problems, but that's going to lead to inconsistent minutes and roles for everyone, and i just don't see rip being very effective in such a "freelance" offense.   nobody's going to be able to produce. if you want to showcase anyone to establish value it's not going to work. they'll be individually and collectively horrible. this isn't like boston or miami where players come together and take a lesser role to win a championship. joe threw them together because they happened to be available. and there's nothing to win, so i don't understand the motivation. you want to fill seats? exactly how much do you expect t-mac to contribute? joe said flat out that he wouldn't make a move just to make it, but that's exactly what this is (in that it's a change that's going to hurt the future, and very likely the present, of the team).   and if you have a shred of interest in developing any of our young guys, you're further squeezing minutes away from everyone. so even if you add only daye, you're looking at perimeter rotation that's seven men deep. that's an ENTIRE short rotation. how many men are we supposed to play?? given that we have no clue what to expect out of monroe or cv, you're certainly looking at a five man frontcourt rotation.   how can anyone think this is going to work. you think hamilton's value isn't going to get worse? just you wait. the only thing REMOTELY appealing about holding onto him is that we'll slowly pay off that horrendous contract and it'll be less money for his new team to take on. what a delightful waiting game that figures to be.   there's hardly anything i wouldn't take for rip. bad contracts, whatever. eddy curry if new york wants some production and scoring. heck, i'll send new york rip and a few second rounders. i would even be willing to pay a chunk of his salary for the benefit of NOT having him in this backcourt. you think somebody else's albatross isn't a win for us? at least that albatross isn't going to be given an automatic role (no matter how badly he fits the system) with loads of minutes and shots.   plenty of harm in waiting. that much i'm sure of. you can't honestly think this perimeter sixsome will yield positive results in any way. nobody’s health is a certainty. thing is, even with mcgrady we are a DEEP team. depth isn’t our problem. we are plenty deep. we got shattered by injuries last season, and we had plenty of guys to step up. and really, we don’t have anyone SO good that we can’t afford to lose them. if it’s not big ben, i suppose tayshaun’s the least expendable. but we’ve got guys who can fill in effectively for even our most valuable guys, as jj and max did for tay and ben.
 
the problem is that we’ve got 15 players who are bunched very tightly together as far as talent level and overall value to the team. 15 guys who can contribute in some way, not really anyone who stands very far above the crowd. ask ten people who the least expendable piston is and you’ll get six different answers. we have plenty of guys who are B players, and a few As depending on who you ask.
 
our opinions obviously differ, but i’d say we have a very pressing need to make a deal. i don’t understand how any sane, rational person could think stuckey, rip, bynum, gordon, tayshaun and t-mac have a chance at success. it’s a recipe for unhappy, unproductive players. there’s only 24 minutes for each, and daye rots on the bench with summers and white. at any given time there’s almost certainly at least (and, realistically, at most) three of them on the bench.
 
with a very deep and solid frontcourt i’d have serious doubts about all these guys getting playing time and thriving as a unit. the only CHANCE i could see it working is on a superteam making a run with the deepest perimeter in the history of the game (if you can think of a deeper one, ever, name it). so everyone sacrifices shots and minutes (to an unfathomable extent, so much so that everyone’s going to have to find a rhythm in 30 seconds or probably head right back to the bench. and why, really, would you bother leaving any one of these guys in if it looks like they’re having an off night?) in the hope of winning a title. nobody thinks that’s happening.
 
what do we have to accomplish here? the only “upside” angle here is that you could theoretically throw out whatever combination of players you want in an attempt to create matchup problems, but that’s going to lead to inconsistent minutes and roles for everyone, and i just don’t see rip being very effective in such a “freelance” offense.
 
nobody’s going to be able to produce. if you want to showcase anyone to establish value it’s not going to work. they’ll be individually and collectively horrible. this isn’t like boston or miami where players come together and take a lesser role to win a championship. joe threw them together because they happened to be available. and there’s nothing to win, so i don’t understand the motivation. you want to fill seats? exactly how much do you expect t-mac to contribute? joe said flat out that he wouldn’t make a move just to make it, but that’s exactly what this is (in that it’s a change that’s going to hurt the future, and very likely the present, of the team).
 
and if you have a shred of interest in developing any of our young guys, you’re further squeezing minutes away from everyone. so even if you add only daye, you’re looking at perimeter rotation that’s seven men deep. that’s an ENTIRE short rotation. how many men are we supposed to play?? given that we have no clue what to expect out of monroe or cv, you’re certainly looking at a five man frontcourt rotation.
 
how can anyone think this is going to work. you think hamilton’s value isn’t going to get worse? just you wait. the only thing REMOTELY appealing about holding onto him is that we’ll slowly pay off that horrendous contract and it’ll be less money for his new team to take on. what a delightful waiting game that figures to be.
 
there’s hardly anything i wouldn’t take for rip. bad contracts, whatever. eddy curry if new york wants some production and scoring. heck, i’ll send new york rip and a few second rounders. i would even be willing to pay a chunk of his salary for the benefit of NOT having him in this backcourt. you think somebody else’s albatross isn’t a win for us? at least that albatross isn’t going to be given an automatic role (no matter how badly he fits the system) with loads of minutes and shots.
 
plenty of harm in waiting. that much i’m sure of. you can’t honestly think this perimeter sixsome will yield positive results in any way.

]]> http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/comment-page-1/#comment-7026 Patrick Hayes Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:37:08 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/#comment-7026 I could see Cleveland, definitely, since Dan Gilbert loves all things Pistons. Minnesota and Sacramento are clearing salary and going young, so I highly doubt they'd be interested in a pricey vet signed longterm. Chicago has Luol Deng and Kyle Korver both signed long term on the perimeter. Doubt they'd want to pay Hamilton too. NJ signed Anthony Morrow to a really reasonable deal, plus added Travis Outlaw to a not-so-reasonable deal, and they have Terrance Williams in the mix as well. Plus, they are also a team that is young and probably not interested in a long deal for a vet. I've never once said they are set as is. I've said that there's not a pressing reason to make a deal before training camp. Hamilton's value is certainly not going to get worse before then, and the health of McGrady and Prince are far from certainties. I'm an advocate of making the best deal the team can make. That very well might be dumping Hamilton for nothing, but I don't think it's possible to do that right now. You always mention his contract. Well, who is going to give up an expiring contract or trade exception for him right now? That's about as likely as a team giving up a good big man for him. Pipe dream. Salary relief, to me, is value. Right now if they trade him, I would be shocked if they could do it without taking someone else's albatross of a contract in return. That's not a win to me. If he has a good camp/preseason/early season and shows he's healthy, then yeah, some team might be willing to part with more for him, whether it's a useful player or just simply taking on most of his contract. Maybe he won't have a good preseason or camp, but if he doesn't, they're still no worse off than they are right now. No harm in waiting. I could see Cleveland, definitely, since Dan Gilbert loves all things Pistons. Minnesota and Sacramento are clearing salary and going young, so I highly doubt they’d be interested in a pricey vet signed longterm.
Chicago has Luol Deng and Kyle Korver both signed long term on the perimeter. Doubt they’d want to pay Hamilton too. NJ signed Anthony Morrow to a really reasonable deal, plus added Travis Outlaw to a not-so-reasonable deal, and they have Terrance Williams in the mix as well. Plus, they are also a team that is young and probably not interested in a long deal for a vet.
I’ve never once said they are set as is. I’ve said that there’s not a pressing reason to make a deal before training camp. Hamilton’s value is certainly not going to get worse before then, and the health of McGrady and Prince are far from certainties.
I’m an advocate of making the best deal the team can make. That very well might be dumping Hamilton for nothing, but I don’t think it’s possible to do that right now. You always mention his contract. Well, who is going to give up an expiring contract or trade exception for him right now? That’s about as likely as a team giving up a good big man for him. Pipe dream.
Salary relief, to me, is value. Right now if they trade him, I would be shocked if they could do it without taking someone else’s albatross of a contract in return. That’s not a win to me.
If he has a good camp/preseason/early season and shows he’s healthy, then yeah, some team might be willing to part with more for him, whether it’s a useful player or just simply taking on most of his contract. Maybe he won’t have a good preseason or camp, but if he doesn’t, they’re still no worse off than they are right now. No harm in waiting.

]]> http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/comment-page-1/#comment-6987 Laser Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:00:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/#comment-6987 they haven't indicated anything, but what are they going to say? they're not going to come out and announce that they're giving him away, but they've got to be shopping him heavily and planning on taking the best available offer, even if it's nothing.   who'd trade for him? minnesota, new jersey, sacramento, chicago, maybe the cavs might have interest. i dunno. he presents an upgrade to those teams. all struck out in free agency besides chicago, and chicago's going forward with second rate SGs. if they intend on contending, a guy like rip would be a great addition.   i understand the issue of his health being a concern, but if we want to establish value for rip, i can't think of a worse way to do it than "showcasing" him in this hodgepodge perimeter while we lose game after game. i think they're just going to give him away, and t-mac softens the blow and provides some insurance.   even in the right system (read: another system) i can't imagine rip EVER establishing enough value to make that contract look appealing. it'll never happen. so the price you pay for having extended his contract two seasons ago is that you end up parting with him for nothing. which is better than holding onto him in the vain hope  that he suddenly turns into a different player after a dozen years in the league.   do you honestly expect this team to go forward without any further trades, hayes?? for realz? they haven’t indicated anything, but what are they going to say? they’re not going to come out and announce that they’re giving him away, but they’ve got to be shopping him heavily and planning on taking the best available offer, even if it’s nothing.
 
who’d trade for him? minnesota, new jersey, sacramento, chicago, maybe the cavs might have interest. i dunno. he presents an upgrade to those teams. all struck out in free agency besides chicago, and chicago’s going forward with second rate SGs. if they intend on contending, a guy like rip would be a great addition.
 
i understand the issue of his health being a concern, but if we want to establish value for rip, i can’t think of a worse way to do it than “showcasing” him in this hodgepodge perimeter while we lose game after game. i think they’re just going to give him away, and t-mac softens the blow and provides some insurance.
 
even in the right system (read: another system) i can’t imagine rip EVER establishing enough value to make that contract look appealing. it’ll never happen. so the price you pay for having extended his contract two seasons ago is that you end up parting with him for nothing. which is better than holding onto him in the vain hope  that he suddenly turns into a different player after a dozen years in the league.
 
do you honestly expect this team to go forward without any further trades, hayes?? for realz?

]]> http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/comment-page-1/#comment-6962 Patrick Hayes Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:10:37 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/#comment-6962 @Laser: Who's going to trade for Hamilton right now? It would be foolish for a team to deal for him without seeing if he's relatively healthy, unless the Pistons are just going to give him away, and they haven't indicated they are at that point yet. @Laser:
Who’s going to trade for Hamilton right now? It would be foolish for a team to deal for him without seeing if he’s relatively healthy, unless the Pistons are just going to give him away, and they haven’t indicated they are at that point yet.

]]> http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/comment-page-1/#comment-6917 Laser Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:46:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/#comment-6917 this is good fun, but naturally it assumes no further roster moves. if that ends up being the case, you could have saved yourself the effort and just written "pistons are noncompetitive, lose" for about sixty of them.   as for that first celtics game, i think it's a safe bet hamilton misses that game. because he'll be in some other city playing a different game. this is good fun, but naturally it assumes no further roster moves. if that ends up being the case, you could have saved yourself the effort and just written “pistons are noncompetitive, lose” for about sixty of them.
 
as for that first celtics game, i think it’s a safe bet hamilton misses that game. because he’ll be in some other city playing a different game.

]]> http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/comment-page-1/#comment-6911 Tads Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:42:36 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/08/detroit-pistons-schedule-in-82-sentences/#comment-6911 This was awesome.  You should do more of this "one sentence for every..."  posts This was awesome.  You should do more of this “one sentence for every…”  posts

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