Comments on: Trade Idea: Rip Hamilton could give the Toronto Raptors needed scoring and Jose Calderon could give the Detroit Pistons stable point guard play http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 21 May 2013 15:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5911 Patrick Hayes Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:11:50 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5911 Dave: I think the Spurs get credit for some of the rule changes as well. Tmoney: Afflalo wasn't part of the Billups trade. He was traded separately for a future pick. Dave:
I think the Spurs get credit for some of the rule changes as well.
Tmoney:
Afflalo wasn’t part of the Billups trade. He was traded separately for a future pick.

]]> By: Tmoney http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5898 Tmoney Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:47:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5898 Can we still trade Allen Iverson back to the Nuggets for Chauncey and Arron Affalo? Can we still trade Allen Iverson back to the Nuggets for Chauncey and Arron Affalo?

]]> By: dave http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5886 dave Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:54:59 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5886 We were a defense first team...but lets face it - the leauge doesn't let you play "D" anymore except for blocked shots! Is it just by chance or did the leauge change the defensive rules after every Pistons championship?  Stern wants this to be an offensive league and I can see what Joe's plans are.  He drafted an offensive Center (Cousins - if he were available would have also fit the offensive bill down-low).  The present team has 6 players that can go for 30+ on any given night! If we stay healthy, I belive this team could quite a few teams - Pistons 7th seed in the east if they remain healthy.  The only trade that may happen is a midseason one - after JoeD has a chance to see his experiment under healthy conditions. We were a defense first team…but lets face it – the leauge doesn’t let you play “D” anymore except for blocked shots! Is it just by chance or did the leauge change the defensive rules after every Pistons championship?  Stern wants this to be an offensive league and I can see what Joe’s plans are.  He drafted an offensive Center (Cousins – if he were available would have also fit the offensive bill down-low).  The present team has 6 players that can go for 30+ on any given night! If we stay healthy, I belive this team could quite a few teams – Pistons 7th seed in the east if they remain healthy.  The only trade that may happen is a midseason one – after JoeD has a chance to see his experiment under healthy conditions.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5848 Dan Feldman Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:55:24 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5848 <p>Nuetes, as far as the identity of the team, I agree with you 100 percent. I want -- and will always want -- the Pistons to be defense first. But on a certain level, it makes sense to go after premier offensive players.</p> <p>For the same physical reasons many offensive player excel, they could excel on defense. It's often for mental reasons, they don't.</p> <p>The physical reasons a player excels on defense are far less likely to mean he's capable of being successfully offensively.</p> <p>Now, you could certainly argue the Pistons signed too many offense-first guys who were were too offensively focused. I'd probably agree. But that doesn't mean a defense-first team is never wise to after an offense-first player.</p> <p>Calderon for Hamilton would probably hurt Detroit's defense next year. But like you said, maybe it would make the team better. As I've said many times, making the team better will increase the trade value of everyone on it. Then, maybe you can make a trade that helps the defense directly more than any Hamilton-trade possibility at the moment. (Plus, it's possible Calderon figures out how to translate the physical gifts he displays on offense to defense.)</p> Nuetes, as far as the identity of the team, I agree with you 100 percent. I want — and will always want — the Pistons to be defense first. But on a certain level, it makes sense to go after premier offensive players.

For the same physical reasons many offensive player excel, they could excel on defense. It’s often for mental reasons, they don’t.

The physical reasons a player excels on defense are far less likely to mean he’s capable of being successfully offensively.

Now, you could certainly argue the Pistons signed too many offense-first guys who were were too offensively focused. I’d probably agree. But that doesn’t mean a defense-first team is never wise to after an offense-first player.

Calderon for Hamilton would probably hurt Detroit’s defense next year. But like you said, maybe it would make the team better. As I’ve said many times, making the team better will increase the trade value of everyone on it. Then, maybe you can make a trade that helps the defense directly more than any Hamilton-trade possibility at the moment. (Plus, it’s possible Calderon figures out how to translate the physical gifts he displays on offense to defense.)

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5847 Dan Feldman Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:47:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5847 <p>Natron, those are two of the most reasonable trade posts I've seen here (including my own). I think Utah would be more likely to approve than Orlando. Maybe the Magic would be more likely if they included Brandon Bass instead of Gortat.</p> Natron, those are two of the most reasonable trade posts I’ve seen here (including my own). I think Utah would be more likely to approve than Orlando. Maybe the Magic would be more likely if they included Brandon Bass instead of Gortat.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5846 Dan Feldman Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:42:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5846 <p>Gulker, to a small point you made, I think Monroe's long-term position is center. I think he's much more likely to get strong than he is to become explosive enough to cover the many dynamic power forwards in the league. Offensively, a quicker power forward who can cut and hit a jumper is more likely to complement him than a big center.</p> Gulker, to a small point you made, I think Monroe’s long-term position is center. I think he’s much more likely to get strong than he is to become explosive enough to cover the many dynamic power forwards in the league. Offensively, a quicker power forward who can cut and hit a jumper is more likely to complement him than a big center.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5834 Patrick Hayes Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:09:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5834 Felton signed with Knicks. Felton signed with Knicks.

]]> By: Josh http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5833 Josh Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:45:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5833 Point guard and big men are the Pistons most obvious weaknesses.  While I like the idea of trading Hamilton for a point guard, I don't think taking on Calderon makes sense.  Personally, I would prefer them to target Raymond Felton, free agent, for their point guard woes and try to trade Rip or Prince for more help down low.  This summer has been too quiet for the Pistons, and they are beyond due to make a move. Point guard and big men are the Pistons most obvious weaknesses.  While I like the idea of trading Hamilton for a point guard, I don’t think taking on Calderon makes sense.  Personally, I would prefer them to target Raymond Felton, free agent, for their point guard woes and try to trade Rip or Prince for more help down low.  This summer has been too quiet for the Pistons, and they are beyond due to make a move.

]]> By: oracle http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5831 oracle Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:27:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5831 Dan, just a suggestion, but the comments section really needs to be reformatted.  It's nigh impossible to read when people reply to eachother. Dan, just a suggestion, but the comments section really needs to be reformatted.  It’s nigh impossible to read when people reply to eachother.

]]> By: oracle http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/trade-idea-rip-hamilton-could-give-the-toronto-raptors-needed-scoring-and-jose-calderon-could-give-the-detroit-pistons-stable-point-guard-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5830 oracle Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:25:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3084#comment-5830 in my opinion, Rip is the better player with the better contract.  He doesn't fit on our team very well, but I don't think Calderon does either. Rip's contract will have the same amount of money on it every year, but since it's only partially guaranteed, it can almost be treated as an expiring after next year. Calderon's contract will look just as bad or worse every year until it's expiring after 2 more years.  Even though he averaged a ton of assists, I'm wary of his skills.  He had a big dropoff last year, they brought in another ball-handler in Turkoglu after Calderon had a career year, and now it seems like they put Calderon on the block because he isn't worth his contract. I'm okay with trading Rip for a less skilled player, maybe even one with a bad contract too, but I'd rather it be a big man. in my opinion, Rip is the better player with the better contract.  He doesn’t fit on our team very well, but I don’t think Calderon does either.
Rip’s contract will have the same amount of money on it every year, but since it’s only partially guaranteed, it can almost be treated as an expiring after next year.
Calderon’s contract will look just as bad or worse every year until it’s expiring after 2 more years.  Even though he averaged a ton of assists, I’m wary of his skills.  He had a big dropoff last year, they brought in another ball-handler in Turkoglu after Calderon had a career year, and now it seems like they put Calderon on the block because he isn’t worth his contract.
I’m okay with trading Rip for a less skilled player, maybe even one with a bad contract too, but I’d rather it be a big man.

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