Comments on: The Detroit Pistons can’t trade Tayshaun Prince for Josh Smith http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 25 May 2013 01:16:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-6066 Dan Feldman Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:49:47 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-6066 <p>Gmehl, good point on the trade kicker. Although, the trade would be such a good deal for the Pistons, and I think they'd still be below the luxury tax. I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker.</p> Gmehl, good point on the trade kicker. Although, the trade would be such a good deal for the Pistons, and I think they’d still be below the luxury tax. I wouldn’t consider it a deal breaker.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-6064 Dan Feldman Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:48:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-6064 <p>Patrick, I don't think any player is untradeable. But I think the Hawks better get a lot more than getting another team to take a bad contract before they trade Josh Smith. He's the best player on that team and still young. I'd want a lot of talent in return, too.</p> Patrick, I don’t think any player is untradeable. But I think the Hawks better get a lot more than getting another team to take a bad contract before they trade Josh Smith. He’s the best player on that team and still young. I’d want a lot of talent in return, too.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-6062 Dan Feldman Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:46:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-6062 <p>Nuetes, I think the trade was semi-reasonable at one point. Prince was a better defender than he is now, and Smith was a bit of a headcase who took too many bad shots.</p> Nuetes, I think the trade was semi-reasonable at one point. Prince was a better defender than he is now, and Smith was a bit of a headcase who took too many bad shots.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-6061 Dan Feldman Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:43:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-6061 <p>Kris, I think you prove why this trade won't happen. It'd be nearly impossible for the Hawks to be so bad they give up on their plan this season. And once the trade deadline passes, Prince can't be traded. Sure, they might trade Josh Smith for less than he's worth at some point, but it until after Prince is no longer tradeable.</p> Kris, I think you prove why this trade won’t happen. It’d be nearly impossible for the Hawks to be so bad they give up on their plan this season. And once the trade deadline passes, Prince can’t be traded. Sure, they might trade Josh Smith for less than he’s worth at some point, but it until after Prince is no longer tradeable.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-6023 Patrick Hayes Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:18:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-6023 Kalorama: He's underpaid by NBA standards, not reality standards. Compare his production to guys who make significantly more and he's underpaid. I mean, would you rather have J Smoove at $12ish a year or Rashard Lewis at $20 million? Elton Brand at $16 million? Antawn Jamison at $13.5? K-Mart at $16? Iguodala at $13.5? David Lee at $14ish? Smith's contract has become very reasonable at the rate he produces. If he would've been a free agent this year, he would've commanded at or near max money. Atlanta got a deal, much the way Boston did by locking up Rondo just in time. Kalorama:
He’s underpaid by NBA standards, not reality standards. Compare his production to guys who make significantly more and he’s underpaid. I mean, would you rather have J Smoove at $12ish a year or Rashard Lewis at $20 million? Elton Brand at $16 million? Antawn Jamison at $13.5? K-Mart at $16? Iguodala at $13.5? David Lee at $14ish? Smith’s contract has become very reasonable at the rate he produces. If he would’ve been a free agent this year, he would’ve commanded at or near max money. Atlanta got a deal, much the way Boston did by locking up Rondo just in time.

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-6021 gmehl1977 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:21:47 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-6021 kalorama i think what Patrick meant by being under paid was due to Smith's resume: Most Valuable Player (eighth) Defensive Player of the Year (second) Most Improved Player (fifth) All-NBA third team All-Defensive first team You can't argue with the facts...Smith is a gun player and while i don't think he is under paid there is guys out there that earn more per year than he does with a much smaller resume. kalorama i think what Patrick meant by being under paid was due to Smith’s resume:

Most Valuable Player (eighth)
Defensive Player of the Year (second)
Most Improved Player (fifth)
All-NBA third team
All-Defensive first team

You can’t argue with the facts…Smith is a gun player and while i don’t think he is under paid there is guys out there that earn more per year than he does with a much smaller resume.

]]> By: kalorama http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-6019 kalorama Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:41:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-6019 I could certainly see Smith being traded, but trading him for cap room (which, at this point, is what Prince is)  makes no sense, either in bball or financial terms, because along both dimensions it makes giving Johnson that huge contract look like a monumentally stupid move.  It would basically turn them back into a lottery team (or close to it) but still leave them beholden to pay Johnson like a superstar. Now, if they could trade Smith for a highly productive player or two with fewer issues and who fits more traditionally into a position/system, that would make sense. But Prince is the guy they'd want in that case. (I would also dispute Patrick's contention that, at $12+ mil/yr, that Smith is somehow underpaid.) I could certainly see Smith being traded, but trading him for cap room (which, at this point, is what Prince is)  makes no sense, either in bball or financial terms, because along both dimensions it makes giving Johnson that huge contract look like a monumentally stupid move.  It would basically turn them back into a lottery team (or close to it) but still leave them beholden to pay Johnson like a superstar. Now, if they could trade Smith for a highly productive player or two with fewer issues and who fits more traditionally into a position/system, that would make sense. But Prince is the guy they’d want in that case.
(I would also dispute Patrick’s contention that, at $12+ mil/yr, that Smith is somehow underpaid.)

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-6002 gmehl1977 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:30:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-6002 This article i think is right on the money. Barring any moves Joe can make before training camp or the trade dead line. I am just as impatient as most pistons fans but rather than looking at who we haven't got it is important to remember who we have got and what they need to do for us to move in the right direction. I especially like what was written about Villanueva. http://www.detnews.com/article/20100724/OPINION03/7240414/1127/sports0102/If-Pistons-plan-to-improve--these-four-must-step-up This article i think is right on the money. Barring any moves Joe can make before training camp or the trade dead line. I am just as impatient as most pistons fans but rather than looking at who we haven’t got it is important to remember who we have got and what they need to do for us to move in the right direction. I especially like what was written about Villanueva.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100724/OPINION03/7240414/1127/sports0102/If-Pistons-plan-to-improve–these-four-must-step-up

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-5999 gmehl1977 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:04:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-5999 Pratik Narula...i'd say from Detroit's stand point it would be a great deal but if i was Joe Dumars i would be doing everything not to throw in a 1st round pick. I would rather give up two 2nd rounders. I think Orlando should be the one parting with more because they are the ones that get the big prize in the deal. Other than that, nice link and hopefully Joe can make it work! Pratik Narula…i’d say from Detroit’s stand point it would be a great deal but if i was Joe Dumars i would be doing everything not to throw in a 1st round pick. I would rather give up two 2nd rounders. I think Orlando should be the one parting with more because they are the ones that get the big prize in the deal.
Other than that, nice link and hopefully Joe can make it work!

]]> By: nuetes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-5998 nuetes Mon, 26 Jul 2010 03:34:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/the-detroit-pistons-cant-trade-tayshaun-prince-for-josh-smith/#comment-5998 I don't want Okafor. He's already overpaid and signed for 4 more seasons with salary escalations. In other words - it just gets worse. I wouldn't think about taking on a contract like that until after the new CBA is settled. If Okafor was an impact player I'd be fine, but he's an adequate center, and that's just not good enough for that kind of financial commitment. Seems like a lot of Pistons fans want Okafor though. I just can't get on board with that. I don’t want Okafor. He’s already overpaid and signed for 4 more seasons with salary escalations. In other words – it just gets worse. I wouldn’t think about taking on a contract like that until after the new CBA is settled. If Okafor was an impact player I’d be fine, but he’s an adequate center, and that’s just not good enough for that kind of financial commitment. Seems like a lot of Pistons fans want Okafor though. I just can’t get on board with that.

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