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Mark Bartelstein, Will Bynum’s agent, still claims client’s contract with Detroit Pistons is worth $10.5 million, despite reports to the contrary

I sent Mark Bartelstein, Will Bynum’s agent, an e-mail hoping to clear up the amount the point guard’s three-year contract is worth. Bartelstein said Bynum will make $3.5 million each season – $10.5 million total. (By the way, I’m glad the contract is flat. It will be only more valuable in future seasons.)

That jives with Marc Stein of ESPN’s report yesterday:

Bynum’s agent Mark Bartelstein said Bynum and the Pistons have agreed to a three-year deal worth $10.5 million.

But the local reports said something different.

Chris Iott of MLive.com:

Bynum has agreed to a three-year contract with the Detroit Pistons. The deal is worth $9.75 million — not the $10.5 million reported by many media outlets — according to a source close to the situation.

Vincent Goodwill of The Detroit News:

Guard Will Bynum agreed to a three-year, $9.75 million deal, according to team sources.

Perry A. Farrell of the Detroit Free Press:

The organization confirmed today that Bynum agreed to a three-year deal for $9.75 million.

I’ve asked Bartelstein to clarify his figure – whether it included unguaranteed portions of the contract or incentives. He has yet to respond.

In all likelihood, the $750,000 will make no difference for any potential Pistons move. But in case it does, I’d like to know the correct figure.

More importantly, I’d like to know whose reports to trust in the future.

26 Comments

  • Jul 30, 20109:57 am
    by brgulker

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    I think too much is being made of this. Player contracts are reported at varying levels all the time. Eventually, we’ll know the real figure, and eventually we’ll know why we have different numbers. I don’t see the point in questioning the integrity of reporters who are likely just doing their job, i.e., reporting what they’re hearing from trusted sources.
    As you said, the difference is negligible and won’t impact future moves. Why not just let the dust settle and revisit the issue when the facts are clear?

  • Jul 30, 201010:44 am
    by gmehl1977

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    This is off topic but here is an interesting stat for you all…The Pistons lost 155 man-games to injury last season. The Pistons had a full contingent of players for just 11 games (winning seven).
    In 2008-09, it was man-games to injury 57.
    In 2007-08, it was man-games to injury 45.
    In 2007-06, it was man-games to injury 46.
    In 2006-05, it was man-games to injury 65.
    I know it’s only a small portion of games to go by but 7 from 11 isn’t to bad with the full team on the court. I still think we need to trade Hamilton, Prince or both for front court help but maybe it is worth Joe seeing what this team can do while healthy. Come trade deadline Joe can then decide who he wants to trade.

  • Jul 30, 201011:17 am
    by Laser

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    1) brgulker is right. this discrepancy isn’t important or interesting. incorrect contract numbers come out all the time, and it’s usually not this trivial a difference. this isn’t news.
     
    2) on so they won 7/11 games at full strength. big deal. that sample size is nothing. and they lost a TON of games when they were very near full strength. if this team stays healthy, our rotations are going to be a MESS. there are only 144 minutes a game at the perimeter. that’s not enough for everyone. expect career lows in minutes for everyone.
     
    here’s a fun statistic. here’s my best guess for division of our perimeter minutes: stuckey (30), rip (30), tay (30), gordon (30), bynum (20), daye (4), dajuan and terrico (oops, none left). look around the league. how many players get paid more than $10 million to play just 30 minutes per game (or less)?? i have a hunch we’ve got all three of them. and never mind finding rotations that will work. this isn’t going to go well
     
    also, joe’s already decided who he wants to trade. didn’t you hear all his noise at the start of the summer? and didn’t you see what happened? nothing. joe is not free to do what he wants with this team. he’s handcuffed himself.

  • Jul 30, 201011:49 am
    by gmehl1977

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    Laser all i said was maybe it is worth waiting for the right deal to come along and seeing how the team goes when healthy. I didn’t say i was happy about the situation. I wouldn’t be mad if Joe signed Amundson

  • Jul 30, 20101:08 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Laser aka Debbie Downer:
    What noise did you hear at the start of the summer? I heard a lot of noise in comments sections, talk radio, etc. Dumars didn’t say much. All he’s really said is that they wouldn’t be opposed to using the mid-level exception if they can find a player they like who will take it.
    Do you feel like they haven’t made calls? Do you feel like they didn’t make the best offer they could to, say, move up and get Cousins?
    How about Jefferson? Minnesota gave him away for cap space — a trade exception basically. The Pistons couldn’t match that. The best they could’ve done was Prince’s contract, which the T-Wolves would’ve had to pay for a full year.
    It’s very likely they’ve tried to make moves and just been rebuffed as teams found other offers that gave them more of what they were looking for.
    Dumars’ assets become more valuable during the season. Rip Hamilton has to show that he’s healthy and can still be productive. If he is, contending teams will be more likely to want him. As it stands, he has question marks, which would most likely mean the Pistons would have to take something bad back in return. Honestly, I’d prefer to wait and see if he can rebuild some of his value.
    Prince/Wilcox have expiring deals. Those will be just as valuable, if not more, as the deadline approaches.
    Maxiell isn’t signed for outrageous money. If he can return to the form he showed a couple of seasons ago, he’s very tradeable.
    Yes, the roster has holes. Yes, upgrades have to be made. But I think it’s silly to mistake a lack of deals for a lack of trying to make them. There are going to be good players who become available, as there are every season, and the Pistons do have assets to make competitive offers. It just takes some patience.

  • Jul 30, 20102:37 pm
    by Laser

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    joe dumars made plenty of noise. he said he was going to get back to the team’s grit and toughness, he said he would do “whatever was necessary” to improve the roster, said they were interested in winning NOW, said he didn’t like what he saw last year as far as the team competing, said he would use all three avenues (trade, draft, MLE) to upgrade the team. i don’t know what more he could have said to set fans up for the disappointment we’re feeling right now.
     
    as for moves, i don’t think joe’s done enough. we’re not privy to the offers joe has made or been presented with, but what’s indisputable is that nothing got done. so as of right now, joe is either (a) unable or (b) unwilling to make moves. if he got on the phone and made a bunch of offers and nobody bit, that’s a testament to the horrible state of the roster he’s assembled. i don’t think this was the BEST joe could do. maybe he never got an offer good enough to part with tayshaun, but i know for a fact that teams were calling him about stuckey last season. he probably had several offers for that guy that i would have jumped at. but we don’t know what his options have been. all we know is that in an offseason frenzy following a 27 win season, joe has done nothing. if he never got a good offer, it’s his own fault for all the bad contracts he handed out.
     
    the problem with rip isn’t about question marks. it’s about the exclamation point that pops up when teams think about paying that cat $12.5 million a year. he could be healthy as a horse and mot many GMs would take on that deal, and only a psychopath would give the pistons value in return. he’s a four time all-star, almost 20 PPG career scorer, proven winner, and he’s been healthy basically his entire career. that contract is the killer here. and do you honestly expect him to gain value in this system?? with no point guard play and the thinnest frontcourt in the league, i wouldn’t bet on it.
     
    max is probably tradable, but what are we going to get for him?? we’re supposed to be ADDING to the front court, and frankly, as long as charlie villanueva is anywhere near the rotation you need some insurance behind him. what kind of upgrade is max going to fetch?
     
    i may be a bit of a downer on this issue, but i’m only being realistic. ok so joe tried to make a deal. he probably didn’t try hard enough, but let’s say he tried. the bottom line is that he was either unable to make moves or inflexible. you can’t argue against those two options. and both are bad. i don’t know which is worse, but it’s one of the two.
     
    and i’ve been asking this everywhere. will one of you optimists PLEASE give me a guess as to how our perimeter minutes are going to be divided with all these guards and small forwards? please? nine players, 144 minutes. please help me out here. i think you’ll find that good health would present a brand new set of problems.

  • Jul 30, 201010:17 pm
    by gmehl1977

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    I don’t disagree with you about no moves being made Laser and i am definitely not an optimist. I would however rather Joe hold onto the roster as it is then just make a move for the sake of it. The last time Joe made moves just for the sake of it everyone just criticized them. Teams that have recently made moves might want to see how there teams play before looking to add a player like Hamilton, Prince or Maxiell. Patience i think is the key here and if Joe was to make any rash decisions you would be calling for his head. As i said before give some of the MLE to Amundson which will be a start and then give some to a center that can spell Wallace and Monroe.

  • Jul 31, 20104:31 am
    by Laser

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    so if we’re keeping the team intact, take a stab at breaking up the perimeter minutes for me, would you? please?? is that so much to ask? will somebody please tell me how those minutes will be divided? we’re making a mistake going into the season with this much perimeter depth.

  • Jul 31, 20105:09 am
    by nuetes

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    I don’t think the minutes are that complicated. Daye and Jerebko don’t play, there that pretty much solves the minute issue. Is that ideal? No, but the organization has always seemed to be more focused on winning than on player development.

  • Jul 31, 20102:46 pm
    by Laser

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    nuetes- that is NOT “breaking up the minutes.” breaking up the minutes is taking all 144 perimeter minutes and dividing them among each player (eg: bynum- 30, rip- 35, stuckey- 20, etc.). also, you’d have to be insane to think this team is focused on winning. and jerebko’s going to play at the 4 anyways. thanks for not cooperating.

  • Jul 31, 20103:27 pm
    by nuetes

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    laser – dumars has said repeatedly he’s trying to win. and win now. he might be delusional, but if you want history as a study guide look go back and look. Darko – winning over development. Prince – only got into the game by necessity. he didn’t play all year but down to orlando they had no choice but to go to him. Daye  - prince led the team in mpg. They aren’t focused on developing players, they are trying to win games.
    As for your 144 minutes. Prince 35, Stuckey 34, Rip 33, Gordon 26, Bynum 16. There minutes divided. Daye/Jerebko 0.

  • Jul 31, 20106:44 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Laser:
    If Rip Hamilton has a bounceback season, which I don’t think is out of the question, $12.5 million is pretty reasonable for a SG who will get 18-20 a game in this market. For a guy coming off a really bad year? You’re right, the contract is a problem right now. If Hamilton is healthy (indications are that he is), his value will increase, expensive contract or not.
    As for a stab at the minutes on the perimeter, they’re probably going to break down roughly like this:
    PG: Stuckey 30-32/Bynum 16-18
    Wing: Rip 30; Gordon 30; Prince 30. Will fluctuate game-to-game. Hot hand will get fourth quarter minutes, defensive matchups might dictate based on favorable or unfavorable lineups, etc.
    I would say don’t count on seeing Austin Daye, DaJuan Summers or Terrico White much. As nuetes pointed out, the Pistons just don’t give young guys minutes at the expense of veterans. Summers hasn’t done much to distinguish himself. Daye’s only shot is to go into camp and the preseason and decisively prove that they are better with him on the floor than a healthy Prince or Hamilton. I’m not convinced he can do that, and I say that as a big fan of his potential. He’ll get minutes if they move someone.
    I expect most of Jerebko’s minutes to come at the four. Chris Wilcox won’t play, Greg Monroe will probably get limited minutes, Kwame Brown is gone and it looks like a longshot that the Pistons add someone up front. I’d guess that Wallace still gets 30 minutes or so, right now I’d bet on Maxiell to get the other starting job and Monroe and Jerebko each getting 20+ minutes in backup roles.

  • Aug 1, 20105:19 pm
    by Laser

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    rip could sprout wings and two extra arms and he’s not worth his contract. you know how we’ll know if/when he’s worth his contract? when someone picks it up. expect that to happen when it’s expiring.
     
    also, i’m very familiar with the pistons’ habit of developing nobody and letting our young players rot,  but that’s when we were a winning team.
     
    and am i to assume, based on your projected breakdowns of our perimeter minutes that you people think it’s sane to pay three players more than ten million dollars a year to play 30 minutes?? and that doesn’t even account for trying to find combinations that work, which will be a problem in itself. does this bother anyone else?
     
    and finally, i put maxiell’s chances of starting over jerebko at 0.

  • Aug 1, 20106:43 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    I will just reiterate again: $12.5 million for a shooting guard who will score 18 a game, is in good shape and fits in most systems/doesn’t need the ball isn’t outrageous. Just look around at what some other twos are paid. He has to prove that he’s healthy. That’s really it. He shot a career low last year and had injury issues. If he’s healthy, he has value. He’s probably not going to net an all-star big man in return, but he’s certainly not someone you have to dump just to rid yourself of his contract. It’s worth it to keep him and see if he stays healthy rather than making a panic move for potentially less in return.
    Is it sane to play three players that much to play 30 minutes? Perhaps not sane, but it’s not outrageous either. Prince is in the final year of his deal, I don’t think most teams sign guys long term and expect them to be as productive in the final year as they were in the first. I don’t think anyone would argue that Gordon or Rip have particularly appealing contracts right now, but for what they produce when healthy in about 30 minutes a night, their salaries are certainly better than Arenas, Kirilenko, Peja, Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd, etc. If you’re trying to convince me that the Pistons’ contracts’ are unmovable or among the worst in the league, you have some work to do.
    And what are you basing your Jerebko over Maxiell argument on? Some points in Maxiell’s favor: he actually played pretty well at the center spot last season; he’s much, much stronger defensively than Jerebko, who struggled big time against bigger players last year (he’d face third and fourth bigs on the second unit, which should give him more favorable matchups); Maxiell’s a veteran who has played with Wallace, Prince, Hamilton and Stuckey for several seasons, so they’d likely have better chemistry together; he started 29 games up front last season, so Kuester obviously doesn’t mind starting him.
    It’s not a foregone conclusion for Maxiell to start, but you’re really giving it a zero percent chance in August?

  • Aug 1, 20107:24 pm
    by nuetes

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    Maxiell was productive whether you want to believe it or not. I’m not going to say he’ll start, but his ability to contribute at both front court positions pretty much tells you he’s not going to get forced out of the lineup. The Pistons are too thin at center right now. I’d play Max over Wilcox anyday. I wouldn’t be opposed to starting CV at PF if he’s healthy and comes to camp ready to show something. Ideally for me that is what would happen.
    As for the minutes yeah I think it’s maybe unfortunate that this scenario has to take place, but it is going to take place. I don’t think there is any chance Daye will see minutes at the expense of winning, at least not to start off. And maybe never. Like last year they just never seemed to wrap their heads around the fact they stunk. Even to the last game they were trying to win and playing whatever lineup they could. It’s just not Dumars style to go out like that.

  • Aug 2, 20102:10 am
    by Laser

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    hayes, let’s go point by point:
     
    1) we’ll have to wait and see what becomes of rip, but you know where i stand. if i were GM i’d never pay a shooting guard eight figures unless he was a sure-fire perennial all-star. and i certainly wouldn’t pay it to two of them. and if i was an owner whose GM signed two of them he’d be fired so fast his head would spin. i don’t care who it was. it’s unconscionable. i have a few fearless predictions about next season. feel free to hold me to them. one of them is that this team will experience ZERO success as long as rip, gordon and stuckey are in the rotation. put any one of them in a trash compactor and the team will be better off for it. if we keep them all we will be awful, it will be plainly obvious that we need to make a move, it will be plainly obvious that rip is the one joe wants to dump (since stuckey is his schoolyard crush and gordon is his new toy and free agent gem). at that point we’ll see just how movable rip really is, because the market is the only judge that matters. my prediction: unmovable.
     
    2) OUTRAGEOUS is precisely the word for paying three (3) players more than ten million a year to play 30 minutes a game. outrageous is the nice word for that. it’s insane and unforgivable. there’s hardly a single GM in the league who would even pay one single player so much to do so little. it almost never happens, and i think there’s a very good chance that no other team does that this season (not counting someone like eddy curry who can’t play).
     
    and using the handful of very worst contracts in the league to show how reasonable our contracts are is not an effective arguing technique. ok, so joe johnson has the worst contract in the history of the league. who cares? what’s that got to do with our bad contracts? so there’s ten worse contracts in the league than rip’s. big deal. because right there in the next clump of horrible contracts are rip, charlie v and (as long as he’s the third SG on our depth chart) ben gordon.
     
    you say i have a lot of convincing to do to get you to see that our contracts are unmovable. first i submit to you the current offseason; obviously joe would have to be a psychotic to think the team looks just right, so logic dictates he tested the market at least a lot. and nothing. ok that’s one point for me. second i submit next season where (barring unforeseen changes) we will be awful, and he’ll test the market a little more. then we’ll see what these contracts are worth on the open market. if we stink and it becomes indisputable that all these shooting guards can’t coexist, there won’t even be room for argument. someone’ll get moved for fair value, or i’ll be right. i hate being right, but smart money’s on me being right.
     
    you can’t possibly think joe hasn’t tested the waters, and after the season we’re in for, you won’t be able to deny that he’s trying to move a SG or two. i think the proof’s in the pudding right now, but once the season starts to unfold it’ll be indisputable.
     
    3) yup. zero percent chance. and i’m basing my prediction on sheer logic, as i usually do. zero percent chance max starts over jj. in a perfect world (or as perfect a world as you can imagine if charlie v is on your team) charlie starts. he has a chance, but i wouldn’t count on it. but max over jj? zero percent. no sense discussing this, because i’m either right or i’m not, but you’ll see.
     
    And for the record, i  like mac. i like him just fine. i think he was a perfect third big behind the wallaces/dyess. and he could be a wonderful third or fourth big on a contender. but we don’t have the luxury of all these versatile, dominant bigs to pair him with. he’s a good defender but undersized, his jumpshot come and goes, and he’s best served giving you 15-20 minutes of high energy off the bench. he probably never starts for a respectable NBA team. i think he’s necessary insurance for a team that’s counting on charlie v to contribute, but even in the thinnest frontcourt in the league there are four more likely potential starters ahead of him.

  • Aug 2, 20104:40 am
    by Dan Feldman

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    BRGulker, I’m not blaming the reporters — at least not mostly. But I think it’s important to report accurate information. Mostly, I’m looking to see whether Mark Barelstein or “Pistons sources” is more reliable. That’s definitely something that could be relevant in the future, even the $750,000 here won’t be.

  • Aug 2, 20104:45 am
    by Dan Feldman

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    I think Maxiell has a greater than 0 percent chance of starting. But I think Jerebko is much, much more likely to start over him. Jerebko is always active, and Maxiell drifts at times. I think John Kuester will prefer the former.

    Plus, with Maxiell’s size, he’s better suited to play against backups.

    I’d say the most likely way Maxiell starts is if the Pistons routinely quick sub with Villanueva.

  • Aug 2, 20104:49 am
    by Dan Feldman

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    Laser, what is the huge problem with having too many pretty good perimeter players who make a lot of money? What is that keeping the Pistons from accomplishing? They’re not going to be title contenders this year anyway. Each of those players has value — even if it’s not maximized together. In due time, at least one will be trade for a player who fits better. They’re no sense in just dumping one, because it won’t get the Pistons to a title any sooner.

  • Aug 2, 20103:00 pm
    by Laser

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    feldman, if you want to see the problem with too many good perimeter players who make a lot of money, stay tuned this season.
     
    for a quick preview: there are so many shots and minutes to go around. rip and gordon are rhythm shooters, and both work better as a first or second option with a point guard setting them up. stuckey dominates the ball and is a below average passer and decision maker. there aren’t many good combinations for these three to play together, and there just plain aren’t enough minutes. ben gordon averaged like 26 last season, and that includes the time when rip was out. when rip was healthy gordon got like 19 minutes and 8 shots a game. plus there aren’t enough minutes at the guard position for these guys, never mind the minutes will bynum will need. so you’re forced to play all of these guys out of position in some combination or another. the young guys will get no minutes, and the team won’t even be better off for it. you’ll see.
     
    also, let’s forget about winning titles and take that out of the conversation. how about we settle for a respectable brand of basketball that makes sense? is that too much to ask for as a starting point? this team was excruciating last season, and i don’t get the impression anybody learned anything, chalking it up to injuries when some of the toughest, most competitive basketball they played was with significant injuries.

  • Aug 2, 20104:44 pm
    by greenspan3000

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    I know this might be far fetched but hypothetically, what if some players get injured (hopefully not) and then the excess of perimeter players will be able to get their minutes.  The fact that last year the team was so decimated by injuries, that Atkins was at pg and Daye was taking the majority of minutes at sg, shows you how quickly depth can disappear.
    About Rip, players like Joe Johnson and Rudy Gaye got ridiculous money.  Teams still have cap space and will be interested in a shooting guard that can score 18 a game, and is a veteran with winning experience.  The Celtics come close to fulfilling the criteria of three $10million plus players that play only 30 mpg, with the way they need to rest their veterans during the regular season.
    Also, doesn’t seem like the Pistons interests got especially ruined by the Dallas Mavericks owner handing out huge contracts.  I really wanted Brendan Haywood, but 5yr/$55m is really overpaying.  On top of that, they got Tyson Chandler another quality starting center, along with a couple back ups.

  • Aug 2, 20106:07 pm
    by nuetes

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    laser – so what do you propose? i don’t think anybody is saying that it isn’t a problem, but your acting like there is some quick fix or something. the only option from a fans point of view right now, as in someone that isn’t on the inside and knows the options, is to just deal with it. make the best of it.
    dumars is trying to win now and unless a trade benefits that goal it’s probably not getting made. i don’t think the thought of taking a step back to take two steps forward even enters his mind. i know what i would do – i’d blow the whole thing up, but i can’t get mad at dumars for taking the opposite stance. neither direction is necessarily a good direction. so i’ll just wait and see.
     

  • Aug 2, 20109:49 pm
    by Laser

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    oh yeah, who would pay a big, strong center with good defense and rebounding and respectable scoring ability $55 million over five years?? that’s the kind of contract i reserve for undersized shooting guards to come off the bench and play under 20 minutes. i swear to god i don’t know how some people dress themselves in the morning.
     
    and to nuetes: i don’t think there’s a “quick” fix, but i’d like to see people look at this situation realistically. so many people have rose colored glasses and they’re letting joe off the hook. as for taking a step back in order to move forward, there are no steps back. we are at the bottom of the league. it does not get much worse. this team is an awful mess, and i want it to get fixed. i want joe to do ANYTHING right about now.
     
    problem is this: do you get rid of talent in order to move forward or do you wallow in the doldrums for a few more seasons and move rip when his contract has value and, thus, has value to someone? they’re both losing propositions, but given the moves joe’s made recently, i’ve got no faith he’ll ever turn rip into anything worthwhile in the first place, so i favor cutting him loose, throwing the fans a bone and allowing the team to play good basketball and move forward.
     
    any pistons fan who isn’t mad at dumars hasn’t been paying attention.

  • Aug 2, 201010:05 pm
    by Laser

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    meant to say when rip’s contract is expiring and, thus, has value.

  • Aug 2, 201010:23 pm
    by nuetes

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    how do you move Rip’s contract? that is the question. i’m sure it can be moved for something equally bad in return, but can it be moved for something better, or even just moved period? i agree that it would make no difference whether rip is on the team or not. if he’s not then gordon takes his minutes and you aren’t losing much. they’d have about $15 mil or so in cap space at the end of the season to spend if they moved rip for an expiring, not suffer any significant drawbacks, and move forward with some flexibility. But can it be done? And is Dumars even trying to do something like that? Those are huge questions with no answers.
    I’m all for moving Rip, not so much for moving Prince. Daye/Jerebko aren’t remotely on Tay’s level, and Tay isn’t even on that high of a level. That’s what I’m talking about by saying taking a step back to move forward. Moving Prince downgrades one position to potentially improve another. It makes it a wash. Moving Rip clears cap and doesn’t significantly downgrade a position. It’s pretty much the move that has to be made.

  • Aug 3, 201012:08 pm
    by Laser

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    i agree/admit that rip hamilton isn’t going to get you anything in trade. it’s a very ugly situation we have at shooting guard, and the first step to fixing this mess was when joe didn’t extend stuckey’s contract. i think joe realizes there’s a very good chance he’s going to be stuck with all of these shooting guards until rip’s contract expires. but until that happens, i don’t think rip has any value at all. every drop of value he has is negated by that contract.
     
    so there’s really two options with him. trade him now for nothing (assuming that’s even possible) or hold on to him for two years and get something in return. both options are bad, and we have joe to thank. “thank joe dumars, kids.” “THANKS, JOE.” my personal solution is to get rid of rodney stuckey. trade him for a point guard or juicy draft picks or whatever. bynum should be starting anyways, and he can do anything stuckey can do and do it better. the only thing stuckey has going for him is his size, which he never uses effectively (smaller guards usually blow by him) , and his ability to swing over and be an undersized SF (but we’ve got plenty of SFs).
     
    right now i have run out of faith that joe can even flip rip into anything at all, so i’d advocate dumping him altogether. then there’s a chance we’ll be able to see this team start to take shape, the games will be more competitive, more watchable. we won’t be forced to watch ridiculous rotations and small ball. i’m just not willing to wait two years to see what rip may or may not bring us. if the answer turns out to be “not much,” i’ll snap.
     
    also, if dumping rip would give us cap space, obviously you do that move in a heartbeat. it won’t. we’re well over the cap, so we’d have to dump a bunch of extra salary to have cap space.

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