Comments on: In defense of Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:53:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/comment-page-1/#comment-4946 Dan Feldman Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:12:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/#comment-4946 <p>Joyce, I'm not sure how much better Gordon can get on defense. He tries, he's just not adept. Villanueva is a completely different story. He has potential to be much, much better.</p> Joyce, I’m not sure how much better Gordon can get on defense. He tries, he’s just not adept. Villanueva is a completely different story. He has potential to be much, much better.

]]> By: joyce http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/comment-page-1/#comment-4908 joyce Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:36:08 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/#comment-4908 Ben Gordon and Charlie V  are a good combination. I bet next year they will light it up. Maybe get a little better on defense but they are ok in my book and like both of them. We  need to keep Will Bynum for a backup point guard. But with the ridiculous signing of players BG  and CV was a steal. They were hurt so don't count last season. Our team will be good. I expect them to be in the playoffs this season. Go Pistons. Ben Gordon and Charlie V  are a good combination. I bet next year they will light it up. Maybe get a little better on defense but they are ok in my book and like both of them. We  need to keep Will Bynum for a backup point guard. But with the ridiculous signing of players BG  and CV was a steal. They were hurt so don’t count last season. Our team will be good. I expect them to be in the playoffs this season. Go Pistons.

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]]> By: Kyle http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/comment-page-1/#comment-3534 Kyle Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:31:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/#comment-3534 i'm not going to give them a pass because they have one stat that they might live up to again at a later date. their deficiencies are far greater than just a down year for each in a specific category. and considering the lack of success with their previous clubs i might argue that simply being pressured to cover up some of their own glaring and inexcusable  inadequacies has taken it's toll on things they previously put all of their focus. it's easier to drain threes or get rebounds when that is the only part of the game you pay attention to. i’m not going to give them a pass because they have one stat that they might live up to again at a later date. their deficiencies are far greater than just a down year for each in a specific category. and considering the lack of success with their previous clubs i might argue that simply being pressured to cover up some of their own glaring and inexcusable  inadequacies has taken it’s toll on things they previously put all of their focus. it’s easier to drain threes or get rebounds when that is the only part of the game you pay attention to.

]]> By: Thursday Links – Ben Roethlisberger Suspended, Nats Calling Up Stephen Strasburg in May, Hot Tickets for The Big Chill, & Toby Gerhart Thinks Being White Is Hurting His Draft Status | detroit.rssible.com http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/comment-page-1/#comment-3533 Thursday Links – Ben Roethlisberger Suspended, Nats Calling Up Stephen Strasburg in May, Hot Tickets for The Big Chill, & Toby Gerhart Thinks Being White Is Hurting His Draft Status | detroit.rssible.com Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:44:43 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/#comment-3533 [...] expect to see: Nightmare on Helm Street commends Versus for a job well done (so far), and Piston Powered defends Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon. Today’s random video and highlight after the [...] [...] expect to see: Nightmare on Helm Street commends Versus for a job well done (so far), and Piston Powered defends Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon. Today’s random video and highlight after the [...]

]]> By: Graham Simmington http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/comment-page-1/#comment-3532 Graham Simmington Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:04:28 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/#comment-3532 <p>GET YA MIND RIGHT</p> <p>GET YA MIND RIGHT</p> GET YA MIND RIGHT

GET YA MIND RIGHT

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/comment-page-1/#comment-3530 Dan Feldman Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:43:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/#comment-3530 <p>BRGulker, I think that's a lot of great analysis. I didn't realize Gordon had shot so much inside this year than he had done previously. But a majority of his shots still come from the outside, so I think it shows something isn't right.</p> <p>This year was introverted from his usual production (more efficient inside than out, as opposed to vice versa).  I think that's a sign you can't say, "he is what he is."</p> <p>If his 3-point shooting returns to his career average next year, I don't necessarily think his inside shooting will remain as strong as it was this year. But it certainly could. That'll be interesting to see how it plays out.</p> <p> </p> BRGulker, I think that’s a lot of great analysis. I didn’t realize Gordon had shot so much inside this year than he had done previously. But a majority of his shots still come from the outside, so I think it shows something isn’t right.

This year was introverted from his usual production (more efficient inside than out, as opposed to vice versa).  I think that’s a sign you can’t say, “he is what he is.”

If his 3-point shooting returns to his career average next year, I don’t necessarily think his inside shooting will remain as strong as it was this year. But it certainly could. That’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/comment-page-1/#comment-3528 Dan Feldman Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:39:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/#comment-3528 <p>I think starting late in the season was what Gordon needed to get back on track. But once his mind is right (not sure if it's there yet), I think he'll be OK coming off the bench.</p> I think starting late in the season was what Gordon needed to get back on track. But once his mind is right (not sure if it’s there yet), I think he’ll be OK coming off the bench.

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]]> By: brgulker http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/comment-page-1/#comment-3518 brgulker Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:42:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/04/in-defense-of-ben-gordon-and-charlie-villanueva/#comment-3518 One thing that I try to keep in mind when evaluating Gordon is this: in spite of the drop in his 3PT%, his overall shooting (and hence scoring) efficiency is well within the range we'd expect if we look at the bigger picture of his career. Specifically, excluding this season, Ben Gordon has scored 1.24 points per shot attempt (career prior to this season, TS% .552, eFG% .500). This season, he scored 1.22 points per shot attempt (TS% .524, eFG% .470).  Yes, his shooting percentages dropped, but when compared with his complete body of work, it's within what we might expect. There's an upside and a downside there that can be argued, I think. Upside: He found to score points when his 3 wasn't falling. Downside: If he  returns to form, the level of offensive efficiency we saw last season isn't going to a dramatic departure from career norms (think in terms of law of averages). Every other statistical category is almost unchanged if you compare this season with previous season. The conclusion (which I view as a major, major problem going forward): <strong>Ben Gordon is what he is.</strong> Give him minutes and shot attempts, and you're gonna get about 1.2 points for every shot he takes -- which is good, not great -- and very little else (not much D, not much creation for teammates, few assists and steals, about average TO's).   I understand the reluctance to evaluate after this disaster of a season. But honestly, when you look closely at the body of work and compare it to this season, you can see a drop in totals (fewer PPGs as a result of fewer shot attempts, e.g.), but you don't see a radical drop in overall efficiency. I don't see much reason to be hesitant about stating that.   P.S. Some random comparables in terms of shooting efficiency, SGs who shoot 3's and are highly paid -- Rip, 1.19 pts/shot, Joe Johson, 1.15, Manu, 1.41, Jamal Crawford, 1.16, Vince Carter, 1.22 One thing that I try to keep in mind when evaluating Gordon is this: in spite of the drop in his 3PT%, his overall shooting (and hence scoring) efficiency is well within the range we’d expect if we look at the bigger picture of his career.
Specifically, excluding this season, Ben Gordon has scored 1.24 points per shot attempt (career prior to this season, TS% .552, eFG% .500). This season, he scored 1.22 points per shot attempt (TS% .524, eFG% .470).  Yes, his shooting percentages dropped, but when compared with his complete body of work, it’s within what we might expect.
There’s an upside and a downside there that can be argued, I think. Upside: He found to score points when his 3 wasn’t falling. Downside: If he  returns to form, the level of offensive efficiency we saw last season isn’t going to a dramatic departure from career norms (think in terms of law of averages).
Every other statistical category is almost unchanged if you compare this season with previous season.
The conclusion (which I view as a major, major problem going forward): Ben Gordon is what he is. Give him minutes and shot attempts, and you’re gonna get about 1.2 points for every shot he takes — which is good, not great — and very little else (not much D, not much creation for teammates, few assists and steals, about average TO’s).
 
I understand the reluctance to evaluate after this disaster of a season. But honestly, when you look closely at the body of work and compare it to this season, you can see a drop in totals (fewer PPGs as a result of fewer shot attempts, e.g.), but you don’t see a radical drop in overall efficiency. I don’t see much reason to be hesitant about stating that.
 
P.S.
Some random comparables in terms of shooting efficiency, SGs who shoot 3′s and are highly paid — Rip, 1.19 pts/shot, Joe Johson, 1.15, Manu, 1.41, Jamal Crawford, 1.16, Vince Carter, 1.22

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