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Friday Trade Idea: Acquiring Ty Lawson in a three-way deal

Every Friday (well, that’s the goal), I’ll analyze a potential Pistons trade. It might be a rumor, a deal I completely made up blindly (like this one) or one you suggest (e-mail me at danfeld11@gmail.com or leave a proposal in the comments).

Trade

Pistons trade:

  • Richard Hamilton (19.2 points, 2.8 rebounds, 5.1 assists, 0.1 blocks, 0.8 steals)
  • Ben Wallace (5.5 points, 9.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.1 blocks, 1.3 steals)
  • DaJuan Summers (2.5 points, 1.0 rebounds, 0.3 assists, 0.2 blocks, 0.2 steals)

Pistons receive:

  • Ty Lawson (9.2 points, 2.2 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 0.0 blocks, 0.9 steals)
  • Jared Jeffries (4.7 points, 4.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.1 blocks, 1.0 steals)
  • Renaldo Balkman (1.3 points, 2.0 rebounds,  0.4 assists,  0.1 blocks, 0.6 steals)
  • Johan Petro (1.2 points, 2.2 rebounds, 0.0 assists, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 steals)

Nuggets trade:

  • Ty Lawson (9.2 points, 2.2 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 0.0 blocks, 0.9 steals)
  • J.R. Smith (14.7 points, 2.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.2 blocks, 1.2 steals)
  • Joey Graham (4.2 points, 1.8 rebounds,  0.2 assists, 0.2 blocks, 0.3 steals)
  • Renaldo Balkman (1.3 points, 2.0 rebounds,  0.4 assists,  0.1 blocks, 0.6 steals)
  • Johan Petro (1.2 points, 2.2 rebounds, 0.0 assists, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 steals)
  • Malik Allen (1.6 points, 1.1 rebounds, 0.3 assists, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 steals)

Nuggets receive:

  • Richard Hamilton (19.2 points, 2.8 rebounds, 5.1 assists, 0.1 blocks, 0.8 steals)
  • Ben Wallace (5.5 points, 9.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.1 blocks, 1.3 steals)
  • Nate Robinson (12.7 points, 2.3 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 0.2 blocks, 0.8 steals)
  • DaJuan Summers (2.5 points, 1.0 rebounds, 0.3 assists, 0.2 blocks, 0.2 steals)

Knicks trade:

  • Nate Robinson (12.7 points, 2.3 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 0.2 blocks, 0.8 steals)
  • Jared Jeffries (4.7 points, 4.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.1 blocks, 1.0 steals)

Knicks receive:

  • J.R. Smith (14.7 points, 2.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.2 blocks, 1.2 steals)
  • Joey Graham (4.2 points, 1.8 rebounds,  0.2 assists, 0.2 blocks, 0.3 steals)
  • Malik Allen (1.6 points, 1.1 rebounds, 0.3 assists, 0.0 blocks, 0.0 steals)

Salaries

Pistons trade:

Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
Richard Hamilton $11,625,000 $12,650,000 $12,650,000 $12,650,000 $0
Ben Wallace $1,306,455 $0 $0 $0 $0
DaJuan Summers $457,588 $762,195 $1,059,293 $0 $0
Total $13,389,043 $13,412,195 $13,709,293 $12,650,000 $0

Pistons receive:

Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
Jared Jeffries $6,466,600 $6,883,400 $0 $0 $0
Renaldo Balkman $2,036,920 $1,675,000 $1,675,000 $1,675,000 $0
Ty Lawson $1,438,680 $1,546,560 $1,654,440 $2,544,528 $3,610,685
Johan Petro $884,881 $0 $0 $0 $0
Total $10,827,081 $10,104,960 $3,329,440 $4,219,528 $3,610,685

Nuggets trade:

Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
J.R. Smith $5,508,426 $6,031,851 $0 $0 $0
Renaldo Balkman $2,036,920 $1,675,000 $1,675,000 $1,675,000 $0
Ty Lawson $1,438,680 $1,546,560 $1,654,440 $2,544,528 $3,610,685
Malik Allen $1,300,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Joey Graham $884,881 $0 $0 $0 $0
Johan Petro $884,881 $0 $0 $0 $0
Total $12,053,788 $9,253,411 $3,329,440 $4,219,528 $3,610,685

Nuggets receive:

Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
Richard Hamilton $11,625,000 $12,650,000 $12,650,000 $12,650,000 $0
Nate Robinson $4,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Ben Wallace $1,306,455 $0 $0 $0 $0
DaJuan Summers $457,588 $762,195 $1,059,293 $0 $0
Total $17,389,043 $13,412,195 $13,709,293 $12,650,000 $0

Knicks trade:

Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
Jared Jeffries $6,466,600 $6,883,400 $0 $0 $0
Nate Robinson $4,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Total $10,466,600 $6,883,400 $0 $0 $0

Knicks receive:

Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
J.R. Smith $5,508,426 $6,031,851 $0 $0 $0
Malik Allen $1,300,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Joey Graham $884,881 $0 $0 $0 $0
Total $7,693,307 $6,031,851 $0 $0 $0

Player option

Team option

Qualifying option

Pistons’ perspective

My initial idea was doing something around Richard Hamilton for Ty Lawson. Obviously, that doesn’t work cap-wise, and since the Pistons would have little use for J.R. Smith, a third team probably would have to be involved.

The Pistons are actively shopping Hamilton, so parting with him wouldn’t be a problem. Ben Wallace is a different story.

He wanted to come to Detroit and nowhere else this summer. Wallace has been awesome this year. He’s been Detroit’s best player, just excellent defensively and on the glass.

But this would basically be the one deal that could work with him. He just wants to be in Detroit, but he also signed thinking the Pistons were aiming to make the playoffs and challenge for the second round – which was true at the time.

This trade would obviously represent a change in the Pistons’ philosophy, aiming more toward rebuilding. I don’t think Wallace would want to be a part of that, so I think he could be convinced Denver would be a good place to play.

I think with the respect Joe Dumars has for Wallace, he would seek Wallace’s approval before doing the trade. Denver would probably require that conversation, too, given Wallace’s previous statements about deciding not to retire so he could play in Detroit.

With Billups and Hamilton there, Denver might be more of a home than Detroit. Plus, we’d get a pretty good look at what it would have been like had the Pistons drafted Carmelo Anthony instead of Darko Milicic in 2003.

Moving to what Detroit would be getting:

Lawson is a true point guard and would allow Rodney Stuckey to shift to shooting guard. Lawson’s outside shooting would balance Stuckey’s ability to get to the rim. This would be the premier young backcourt in the league.

Jared Jeffries was underrated a few weeks ago. Then, he started getting a lot of credit all of a sudden. He’s probably fairly rated now. He’d bring strong defense to a team that badly needs it and could serve as a good role model for Jonas Jerebko.

Renaldo Balkman is a hustle player with an affordable contract. Pistons coach John Kuester recently complained about Detroit’s effort. Balkman would help change that.

The Pistons would cut Petro.

For the Nuggets, this would be a win-now move. Richard Hamilton obviously plays best with Chauncey Billups. They complement each other very well, and Hamilton is finally back from injury and looking closer to his old self.

Nate Robinson would fill the scoring role off the bench that J.R. Smith does now.

A concern for the Nuggets would be losing three more players than they acquire. But the Pistons would cut Petro, and I assume the Knicks would drop Allen and/or Graham. Could the Nuggets survive 30 days waiting for them with 10-day contracts and a smaller roster? That’s the main reason DeJuan Summers is included.

The Knicks would have an extra $851,549 in cap room this summer. They’d also add a very talented player in J.R. Smith to help attract free agents. I’d assume they’d cut Allen and/or Graham.

Nuggets’ perspective

For each trade, I will seek the analysis of the other team’s TrueHoop Network blogger.

Jeremy Wagner of Roundball Mining Company:

From the Nuggets’ standpoint I am not sure this makes sense.

The Nuggets would love to add a big man to help them handle the size of the Los Angeles Lakers’ front line. Nene held his own against Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol, but he is the only big on the roster with any girth. Kenyon Martin is too light in the haunches to handle Bynum and a little short to deal with Gasol. Big Ben would give the Nuggets much better flexibility when dealing with the Lakers talented front court. 

Here is a little update after J.R.’s issues against the Hornets a few days ago.

J.R. Smith once again found himself in hot water with management after temporarily leaving the bench and pouting after getting pulled from a game against the Hornets last week. There was apparently a great deal of debate among the Denver brass about whether or not to suspend him. The ultimate decision was to allow J.R. to play, and reports are that the Nuggets are not seeking to trade him before the deadline, but you have to wonder if the fact that Smith is still dealing with maturity issues in his sixth NBA season makes decreases his value amongst decision makers in the Nuggets’ organization.

I can see how Hamilton would make them a little more stable, but Lawson and Smith are both game-changing players, and they give Denver a lot of offensive depth. Plus, adding Hamilton would force them to radically change what the Nuggets do on offense. Instead of a pick and roll/isolation concept they would have to start running Hamilton off of screens. 

Robinson can light it up, and it might seem like he could be the offensive force off the bench that J.R. currently is, but he is wildly inconsistent, even more so than J.R., and is a serious defensive liability. What makes J.R. so special in my eyes is he is much more than a scorer. J.R. is great running the pick and roll with Nene and he can drive and dish as well as any two guard in the league. Robinson might be able to match Smith’s scoring average, but he can not be the set up man J.R. can be.

With Lawson, he is the point guard of the future and with Chauncey showing signs of age and wearing down late last season I do not think they can afford to part with him. 

That trade also adds more money to the payroll for this season and next, and I do not think the Nuggets will do that without the deal guaranteeing them a spot in the finals, which would obviously be some special transaction. If they are going to challenge the Lakers, they need a fourth highly competent big man. Even so, I do not expect them to part with Smith or Lawson for another big. They are both too important and each of them are great fits for what the Nuggets need.

I think you are barking up the right tree with the all of the players you have included in the Balkmans, Grahams and Allens.  I believe the Nuggets would part with all of them in order to get the player, or players, they want.

The trade would give Denver a more "stable" shooting guard with a championship pedigree and help in the front court they desperately need to match up with the size of the Lakers.

Even acquiring Hamilton, Wallace and Robinson I believe giving up Earl III and Lawson is more than Denver could stomach. To this point the Nuggets’ front office has not been afraid to make bold and even unpopular moves, but the one thing they have not done is given up a young building block.

My response

If there was ever a time to give up young building blocks, this is it. The Nuggets are on the verge of contention, and this move could get them over the top. Plus, with a lockout looming, planning for the future is harder to do than usual.

Knicks perspective

Kevin McElroy of KnickerBlogger.net:

I like it for the Knicks and think they would probably do it. I would have liked it even more a couple months ago if they’d had time to try to move Smith for an expiring contract before the deadline.

I think they probably get a little worse this year, but have more upside if they can get acclimated to playing with Smith. Long-term, Smith is a more attractive teammate for free agents than Jeffries.

You could put Smith in a sign and trade with Lee this summer to equal the salary of a max player. Say the Raptors can’t sign Bosh, and the Knicks don’t have enough cap room for him. Does Toronto give them Bosh for a package of Lee and J.R. Smith rather than letting him walk for free? I think they at least consider it.

I also think Smith might fetch a late first rounder in a draft where the Knicks famously don’t have one.

I would want the Knicks to take it.

My response

If Detroit and Denver were dedicated to making something like this happen, the Knicks would be the right team at the right time to take advantage. They not only add a quality young player, they meet their primary goal of adding cap room for this summer. The deal is so good for them, I almost had them giving up a draft pick, too.

Verdict

The Pistons would say yes if Ben Wallace approved the move to Denver, and I think he could be talked into that. The Knicks would do it. If the Nuggets can afford the luxury tax hit, I think they are very tempted. In the end, the probably pass.

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12 Comments

  • Jan 29, 20103:14 pm
    by brgulker

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    I think Kwame might be able to help Portland’s immediate need for a big man.
    He’s cheap, he defends, he rebounds, and he’s on an expiring deal — so (if) when Pryz and Oden are healthy next year, they can simply renounce their rights to Kwame and be on their way.
    Could Portland be interested in Kwame alone? Or would they still have interest in Tay? If so, what might they send back that could help us?

  • Jan 30, 20102:05 am
    by Clint

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    You are a complete moron if you think Denver would welcome a bigger head case than JR Smith who can’t do as much(Robinson), another effort inspired but undersized center(Wallace is not 6 10) who couldn’t handle the Lakers frontline any better than K-Mart, and an aging 2 guard and has a horrible contract(RiP) for a explosive point and J.R. Smith.

  • Jan 30, 201012:57 pm
    by jake

    Reply

    this is the nost idiotic trade ive ever seen lol

  • Jan 30, 20105:56 pm
    by Marcus Taylor

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    I’ve got one for you. Rip, Bynum, and Big Ben to Washington for Haywood, McGee, and James. Washington needs a replacement for Arenas, Bynum provides similar play, Rip gives the veteran help and Ben is Ben. Haywood shouldn’t be too hard to re-sign and is a big body, and rebounder, shot-blocker that doesn’t command the ball. McGee is a young local promising development project that, and James is needed to make it work cap wise. I don’t believe Rip fits an uptempo style too well, and Prince could be trade as well for a combo guard and picks. It’s time to let the young guys play, including  Summers, and see what happens. Rip and Tay are in the way.

  • Jan 31, 20101:21 am
    by Marcus Taylor

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    Here’s another trade idea. hamilton, B. Wallace and Atkins to Memphis for Thabeet, Arthur, Young, and Hunter. Memphis needs perimeter depth for the playoffs, Rip gives them playoff exp’d depth and with Ben coming off the bench behind Randolph and/or Gasol, they could scare some teams. Thabeet reminds me of a young, more athletic Mutombo, Hunter only has one year left and is just a fill in for the season, and Young has good athleticism to help in a more uptempo style of play. I liked Arthur in college, maybe he has value also.

  • Feb 2, 20104:22 am
    by abe c

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    You Guys are all crazy with these stupid trade ideas. Joe Dumars wouldn’t make any dumb trades like that for Rip, Ben, Tayshaun or anyone else. Are you kidding me. The Pistons are trying to get a big like Boozer or Amare for Rip and possibly someone else. Or maybe trade Tay and someone for Boozer or Stoudamire. That is more of a legitimate possibility. I’m not saying that’s what’s gonna happen but it’s been rumored that Rip or Tay maybe traded. Detroit is trying to become what they where in the past, a eastern conference contender and eventually a world championship organization.

  • Feb 2, 201010:32 am
    by emiliojum

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    Detroit, New York & Boston

    New York In: Ray Allen, Kwane Brown, Tony Allen
    Ne w York Out: J. Jeffries, E. Curry & David Lee

    Detroit In: Jeffries, E. Curry, B. Scalabrine & David Lee
    Detroit Out: Hamilton, T. Prince, J. Maxiell & Kwane Brown

    Boston In: N. Robinson, Hamilton, J. Maxiell & T. Prince
    Boston Out: Ray Allen, Tony Allen, B. Scalabrine

    Detroit: Gets the best player in the deal, Lee. David is a legit frontcourt player, and is still somewhat underrated. Pistons can sign him an extension for 9 or 10 million per year. Also, Curry and Jeffries contracts only go through next season, so we would be cutting the long-term cost of Rip & Maxiell deals, and have movable assets next season in Jeffries and Curry’s expiring contracts. Scalabrine is an expiring contract……
    Knicks: Knicks clear salary cap space for this off-season. They get rid of both Jeffries and Curry’s contracts, allowing them to offer max contracts to two guys.
    Boston: They go all-in for the next 2-3 years. Something else might need to be thrown in the deal to get them to pull the trigger. They’ve apparently started shopping Ray Allen; they might find what they are looking for make a run for the ring. It gives them a pair of vets with championship experience: Rip and Tay. Gives them a lot of match-up flexibility with small ball like Rondo/Rip/Pierce/Tay/KG.Maxiell adds interior defence. Robinson means points off the bench…….

  • Feb 2, 201010:59 am
    by Marcus Taylor

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    To Abe C. I may be crazy, but my scenarios bring young talent to Detroit that could mesh with the rest of the young talent to become an uptempo team and compete for years. Boozer is a good player, but what position would he play? Center?  Stoudemire, same thing. Not legit trade scenarios for either player. Look at how Portland has built their team. You get a young nucleus and build around them if you want to do it right. If you as a fan want to see Detroit win CHAMPIONSHIPS, there’s no way you want Boozer or  Stoudemire. What good would be getting to the playoffs only to lose in the first round and have on of those guys eating up your cap space?

  • Feb 2, 201012:10 pm
    by Marcus Taylor

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    To Abe C. You also have to look at what the other team wants. Do u really think Utah wants Tay? They already have a solid Sf, and a pretty good young backup behind him. Rip could fit their offense as a SG, but does that make them championship contenders? No. So the deal doesn’t make sense for them. Rip nor Tay fit in with Phoenix, so that’s a no-go as well. My deal with Memphis makes them a contender. Out west you have to be able to matchup with the Lakers and their frontline and depth. My trade allows Memphis to do that. The Pistons need a Center that rebounds, is an intimidator inside, and doesn’t need the ball. Thabeet fits that.  Charlie V. at PF, SF Jerebko, SG Gordon, PG Stuckey. You need the kind of center I described. Do your homework before trying to put down my ideas.

    • Feb 3, 201012:29 am
      by abe c

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      To Marcus Taylor. I did do my homework, and if you read my post carefully I didn’t say that we where getting Boozer or Amare.  I said Detroit needs A big like Boozer or Stoudamire.  Now maybe Phoenix or Utah would not want to trade these guys to Detroit  but the rumors I’ve been hearing, Rip or Tay may be traded. And these where the 2 names that popped out in the trade rumors for them.  David Lee would also be a good guy for detroit. Now I’m not saying it’s going to happen but is just a thought.  With all do respect, I don’t think Thabeet will be a good fit for Detroit either. He is a good shot blocker but we need a big who’s a consistent rebounder and scorer. Have you noticed how detroit has been struggling in the center position this year. Big Ben has been awesome but he is not a scorer. When Mcdysse was a piston he helped alot scoring, rebounding etc.  So saying that we dont need a center who has to score or demand the ball doesn’t make sense to me because that’s where I think Detroit is the weakest.  I think Detroit has enough shooters at the point so a center who can score would make Detroit a contender.

  • Feb 3, 201010:26 am
    by Marcus Taylor

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    To Abe C. I see Thabeet as a more athletic Mutombo. Remember, Detroit had some good years, including a Championship with Ben Wallace. Thabeet probably won’t be the rebounder that Big Ben is, but the defense I think he can provide. Joe D. went all offense with BG and Charlie V. to the point where whomever they get to play center will have to be a very good defensive presence. You can only play with one ball, and Stuckey, BG, and Charlie V. will take most of the shots. Add Jerebko, who I really, really like, to the mix, and there are very few shots left for anyone. team chemistry demands a non-scorer.

  • Feb 5, 20102:11 pm
    by Kaneda

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    I’d love to see Amare and Al Jefferson in a Pistons jersey. How about analyzing the trade idea involving the above 2 players with Rip, Tay and Charlie V leaving Detroit.

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