Comments on: Jerry Reinsdorf: Ben Gordon would have had a diminished role if he returned to the Bulls http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:18:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: PistonPowered » Blog Archive » Broussard: Chicago adjusting to life without Ben Gordon http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-2471 PistonPowered » Blog Archive » Broussard: Chicago adjusting to life without Ben Gordon Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:30:45 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-2471 [...] Chicago Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf’s quote about the team’s decision not to make a long-term commitment to Ben Gordon? You know, when he [...] [...] Chicago Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf’s quote about the team’s decision not to make a long-term commitment to Ben Gordon? You know, when he [...]

]]> By: Dwayne http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-1336 Dwayne Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:59:37 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-1336 Reinsdorf got what he wanted.  He always liked Hinrich over BG.  It was very obvious when they didn't even try to promote him for the rookie all-star game, etc..  Well, you wanted him out, you got it!  Unfortumately for Reinsdorf, he went to the Pistons.  If you didn't like him when he was with you, Jerry, you're gonna really hate him when he's against you!  BG has a long memory, and loves to get up for those who challenge him.  Whether it was in HS at Mt. Vernon vs White Plains in 2000, when he put up 42 points in three quarters because of how they classlessly heckled him, or in college where along with Emeka they beat Duke on their way to a National Championship, (BG really wanted to go to Duke), there will be a lot of BG highlights vs. Chicago over the next 5 years.  But hey, don't feel bad.  You got Kirk Hinrich!  :) Reinsdorf got what he wanted.  He always liked Hinrich over BG.  It was very obvious when they didn’t even try to promote him for the rookie all-star game, etc..  Well, you wanted him out, you got it!  Unfortumately for Reinsdorf, he went to the Pistons.  If you didn’t like him when he was with you, Jerry, you’re gonna really hate him when he’s against you!  BG has a long memory, and loves to get up for those who challenge him.  Whether it was in HS at Mt. Vernon vs White Plains in 2000, when he put up 42 points in three quarters because of how they classlessly heckled him, or in college where along with Emeka they beat Duke on their way to a National Championship, (BG really wanted to go to Duke), there will be a lot of BG highlights vs. Chicago over the next 5 years.  But hey, don’t feel bad.  You got Kirk Hinrich!  :)

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-1326 Dan Feldman Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:47:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-1326 <p>Lankownia,</p> <p>I the Bulls' issues with Gordon had a lot more to do with value than production. They didn't think he was good enough to pay the money he wanted.</p> <p>I don't think they thought he wasn't one of their best players. If they had signed him, value doesn't matter during the game. The best players play.</p> <p>And Gordon would have been the best player.</p> Lankownia,

I the Bulls’ issues with Gordon had a lot more to do with value than production. They didn’t think he was good enough to pay the money he wanted.

I don’t think they thought he wasn’t one of their best players. If they had signed him, value doesn’t matter during the game. The best players play.

And Gordon would have been the best player.

]]> By: Lankownia http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-1308 Lankownia Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:20:36 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-1308 Gordon looked great in the Celtics series, but the man he was guarding looked just as good.  And the Bulls lost. Gordon looked great in the Celtics series, but the man he was guarding looked just as good.  And the Bulls lost.

]]> By: Lankownia http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-1307 Lankownia Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:19:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-1307 Agree on sample, just saying the gap wasn't that big between Gordon and the others in a statistic that, even if it doesn't ignore it totally, downplays defense dramatically (as Hollinger openly admits).  Hinrich, Deng, and Salmons were all unavailable to the Bulls for much of the season.  The team presumably wants to give their SF draftpick some playing time too.  No matter how you look at it, there would be a squeeze at SG/SF, and if Gordon was unhappy with playing time last year he definitly was going to be unhappy with it moving forward. Agree on sample, just saying the gap wasn’t that big between Gordon and the others in a statistic that, even if it doesn’t ignore it totally, downplays defense dramatically (as Hollinger openly admits).  Hinrich, Deng, and Salmons were all unavailable to the Bulls for much of the season.  The team presumably wants to give their SF draftpick some playing time too.  No matter how you look at it, there would be a squeeze at SG/SF, and if Gordon was unhappy with playing time last year he definitly was going to be unhappy with it moving forward.

]]> By: James http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-1305 James Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:12:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-1305 Is there any question BG was the Bull's most important player in the playoffs? Before he injured himself in game 4 he was amazing and he still had some very clutch plays in subsequent games. Gordon is also entering his prime for the next 5 years while Salmons is 30 and should start to decline over the next couple years. Is there any question BG was the Bull’s most important player in the playoffs? Before he injured himself in game 4 he was amazing and he still had some very clutch plays in subsequent games. Gordon is also entering his prime for the next 5 years while Salmons is 30 and should start to decline over the next couple years.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-1299 Dan Feldman Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:18:34 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-1299 <p>Lankownia,</p> <p>Outside of Brad Miller (27 games with the Bulls) and Cedric Simmons (11 games), Gordon had the best PER on the team.</p> <p>Seven games in the playoffs isn't a very reliable sample size.</p> <p>And PER isn't just a measure of offense. It's not great at judging defense , but defense is included.</p> Lankownia,

Outside of Brad Miller (27 games with the Bulls) and Cedric Simmons (11 games), Gordon had the best PER on the team.

Seven games in the playoffs isn’t a very reliable sample size.

And PER isn’t just a measure of offense. It’s not great at judging defense , but defense is included.

]]> By: Vittorio De Zen http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-1284 Vittorio De Zen Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:31:16 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-1284 Yeah, that's a bit ridiculous. Of course he would have got the playing time. He could have talked about Ben not fitting with Derrick Rose or Ben commanding too much money and I'd kind of understand, but to say that he'd lose playing time on that team is a bit nuts. Anyway, I'm happy for Ben. Chicago really screwed him around over the past few years, both with playing time and with contract negotiations. Pulling that offer off the table was weak. Anyway, Ben wins in the end. Some will call him overpaid, but he earned that by playing extremely hard last year, for a team that didn't want him. Yeah, that’s a bit ridiculous. Of course he would have got the playing time.
He could have talked about Ben not fitting with Derrick Rose or Ben commanding too much money and I’d kind of understand, but to say that he’d lose playing time on that team is a bit nuts.
Anyway, I’m happy for Ben. Chicago really screwed him around over the past few years, both with playing time and with contract negotiations. Pulling that offer off the table was weak. Anyway, Ben wins in the end. Some will call him overpaid, but he earned that by playing extremely hard last year, for a team that didn’t want him.

]]> By: Lankownia http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/comment-page-1/#comment-1281 Lankownia Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:01:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/jerry-reinsdorf-ben-gordon-would-have-had-a-diminished-role-if-he-returned-to-the-bulls/#comment-1281 According to PER (an offensive stat) - Rose (16) and Salmons (16) where similar to Gordon (17).  Hinrich (14) was a notch below in the regular season but actually a better player than Gordon in the playoffs (17 PER vs 16 PER).  Regardless, if you factor defensive impact in, it doesn't seem like too much of a leap to say Gordon wouldn't get the minutes he wanted. According to PER (an offensive stat) – Rose (16) and Salmons (16) where similar to Gordon (17).  Hinrich (14) was a notch below in the regular season but actually a better player than Gordon in the playoffs (17 PER vs 16 PER).  Regardless, if you factor defensive impact in, it doesn’t seem like too much of a leap to say Gordon wouldn’t get the minutes he wanted.

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