Archive → May, 2009
Here are some articles, from the past and present, about Chuck Daly from various outlets (Note to newspapers: These flashback articles are fantastic and should be posted more often And there is almost no cost for doing so).
I’ll post my thoughts on Daly either later today or tomorrow.
"Daly left mark on Pistons, Dream Team," by Ken Shouler
It was after Game 4 of the 1988 NBA Finals. The Pistons had destroyed the Lakers in body-to-body combat, 111-86. "Adrian Dantley went headhunting twice, after James Worthy and Magic," Los Angeles coach Pat Riley fumed after the game. Asked about the Pistons’ hyperphysical play, Chuck Daly said he didn’t encourage it, explaining coyly that his undersized Pistons couldn’t win with that style against a team of thoroughbreds like Los Angeles.
Then Daly reversed himself.
"Things change from the regular season into the playoffs," he added. "The game is more physical. But look at us; if we and the Lakers lined up next to each other five-on-five, position-by-position, we come out on the short end. They’re studs — they make us look like a mongrel team."
There was the rationale. It was Detroit, brandishing a combative Eastern style, against the superabundantly talented habitués of Rodeo Drive. Due to their rough style, the Pistons came to be known as the "Bad Boys."
"Chuck Daly’s memorable moments," by Terry Foster
The Pistons had just played a tough game against the Boston Celtics at the old Boston Garden. During a time-out, Daly and forward Adrian Dantley got into the most horrific argument I’ve ever seen during my years of covering the NBA. It seemed to last forever. Daly and Dantley screamed and cursed within inches of one another.
Later that night the Pistons remained at the team hotel because of a flight curfew at Logan Airport. I ran into Daly in the hotel bar and he was still livid.
"We’ve got to get rid of him," Daly said.
Daly’s words were much spicier, but you get the point.
I was stunned because players and coaches often kept private matters from the media. I promised not to write about our meeting then. But it was still interesting to see the anger still boiling in his soul.
He believed that Dantley slowed the offense and caused the four other players to stand around while Dantley went through his routine of posting up his man and trying to set up a slow drive to the hoop.
A few weeks later Dantley was traded to the Dallas Mavericks for Mark Aguirre. Everybody assumed that point guard Isiah Thomas orchestrated the trade behind the scenes. Maybe he did push for the trade. But Daly was also a proponent.
"Pistons owner likes new coach," by Bill Halls
Bill Davidson stayed out of the limelight at Chuck Daly’s press conference yesterday afternoon but it was clear that he was pleased with General Manager Jack McCloskey’s choice for a new Pistons coach.
"I feel this is a step forward," said Davidson, the chief stockholder and operating partner of the 11-member group that owns the Pistons. "I talked with Daly before Jack made the decision. We never got that far with Jack McKinney,"
McKinney, the other leading candidate for the Pistons’ coaching job, apparently wants to stay with the Indiana Pacers where he coached last season.
"Pistons’ choice to hire Daly as coach surprises," by Bill Halls
Daly replaces Scotty Robertson, who was fired April 18 after failing to make the NBA playoffs. When McCloskey fired Robertson, he said the team’s lack of defensive progress was the major reason for his decision.
Actually, Daly turned down the job Robertson accepted three years ago. At that time, Daly also turned down a chance to coach the San Antonio Spurs, largely because his wife, Terry, who was raised in the East, couldn’t face up to the "culture shock" of moving to Texas.
Daly has said he turned the Pistons down because his daughter, Cydney, was in high school and he didn’t want to uproot her.
At the time he was Billy Cunningham’s top aide with the Philadelphia 76ers.
"I had an outstanding situation in Philly," said Daly. "I was treated well financially.
"The circumstances were different then. This is a much better club than the one Detroit had three years ago."
Daly called the young Pistons "a club of the future" and said he found out in nearly five years with the Sixers and his brief tenure in Cleveland "how difficult it is to win every day at this level."
He didn’t promise a playoff berth but was quick to point out that he believed that defense was the key to winning.
"If you want to move in this league, you’ve to do it defensively," said Daly. "If one thing can be taught, it’s defense.
"From what little I’ve seen of the Pistons, they have too many turnovers and get too many shots blocked. I’m a true believer that you win with shot blocking and steals along with quickness to loose balls."
"Love of game, motivation Daly’s chief assets," by Bill Halls
This is no snake-oil salesman talking. This is a guy who frequently spends 16 hours a day working on game plans, match-ups and motivational techniques.
Most of the Pistons learned that on the first day of training camp. It took longer for some than others, but they all believe now.
Motivation is a Daly staple. Once, Isiah Thomas was burned for 9 quick points by Cleveland’s Jon Bagley in the first half. "You want to guard another guy?" Daly remarked to Thomas just before the second half.
Incensed by the implied slight, Thomas went out and smothered Bagley in the second half. The Pistons won.
"It ticked me off," said Thomas. Daly’s casual remark had made Thomas try harder.
"Pistons like Daly’s style on the court — and off it," by Dave Dye
"You’re constantly fighting your own ego. That was one of the hardest things for me. In high school, I was very, very strict. I thought I had to be the hard guy. If one of the kids didn’t play aggressively one day, I’d make him wear a towel around himself the next. It looked like a dress, and it told him he was a sissy.
"I learned over the years, though, and I became more open-minded. I remember when I was a (biology) teacher. I used to be so organized and strict in taking attendance. And I did everything straight out of the book. I thought that was being such a good teacher. At the same school, there was another guy who was really laid-back. It didn’t seem like he was doing anything. He told them stories and there didn’t seem to be any control in the class. At least compared to some of our classes. But we found out later he was the best teacher. The kids related to him better and did the work. I think that opened up my eyes quite a bit.
Daly’s coaching philosophy has been based on that criteria. Vince Lombardi would shudder, but Daly is more or less one of the guys. At practices, he often jokes around. He can be seen practicing imaginary golf shots or trying to bounce a basketball off the floor into the hoop.
"In this business a lot of people get treated badly," said Piston Vinnie Johnson. "It means something when you know there’s a guy you can trust. Some coaches are afraid to get involved with that type of relationship. They feel the players may take advantage of them then. They have to try to scare you into doing things. But that’s not how it works here."
Said Thomas: "We do more for him because of that. He’s helped me with things off the court. You don’t forget that when you’re out there."
Unlike many coaches, Daly doesn’t see getting close to his players as a dangerous practice. "This is such a long grind, there are many nights they don’t have to play (hard)," he said. "You better be a reason for them to do that. Anyhow, I’m not as nice as everybody always says. I put my foot down when I have to. But I just see no reason why there has to be a constant conflict if you can avoid it."
Thomas, realizing Daly eventually will leave, said, "Chuck will be missed, not only as our coach, but as our friend."
"Daly cool, knowing task ahead is hard," by Joe Falls
LOS ANGELES — Chuck Daly looked like a loser.
The TV cameras picked him up as he started off the floor following the Pistons’ title-clinching victory over theLos Angeles Lakers, and he looked as if his team had just blown one to the New Jersey Nets or the Portland Trail Blazers.
What was this all about?
More than half-hour after the game, they brought him into the interview room, and he was asked how it felt to win his first basketball championship.
Daly thought for a moment and said it was different from what he thought it would be. He said it wasn’t as exciting as he thought it would be. He said he had a few moments earlier in the day when he got a little emotional about the possibility of winning it all, but when it got right down to it — the moment of triumph — it was … well, it was OK.
He then offered the time-honored comment that it would probably hit him later on, when he had more time to think about it.
What this was all about is that an honest man was displaying his honest feelings. He was pleased he had won — who wouldn’t be? But he knew what it took to get there … the great sacrifices that were needed to become a champion … and this seemed to occupy his mind more than the moment of victory.
"A dog’s life keeps Daly with Detroit," by Joe Falls
He couldn’t give it up because he needs it in his life.
This man cannot sit still. Ask his wife. Ask his daughter. Ask his coaches. Ask his players. He always has to be doing something, going somewhere, working, talking, making speeches, making commercials, appearing on TV, doing a radio show. If you know him at all, you know he hardly has time to sleep. Three hours, four hours a night, max. Then he is up and running again, grabbing a cup of tea here, a bagel there, maybe stopping in at church, visiting his favorite clothing store, hitting a few golf balls, talking on the phone for two hours, looking at tapes, studying statistics, working out new plays on his magnetic board, reading newspapers, books, magazines … all while trying to figure out one more variation to his celebrated "Jordan Rules," the complicated scheme he developed to slow down the star of the Chicago Bulls.
The thought of giving up all this scared him. He is a man who does not want to get old. Soon, he will be 60. He wants to be 30. His fear was that a career in TV — one game a week, maybe two a month — would slow him down, and Father Time would start making up ground on him.
As long as he is storming up and down the sidelines, the gods will leave him alone.
There was not a hint of sadness or anger in his voice as Daly announced his resignation as head coach of the Pistons. He was saying farewell, even though we all know there is a lot of coaching left in him, coaching that will be done in some other city, with some other players, in front of an arena filled with strangers.
So why is he leaving? That is the nagging question that seemed to ring out in the room to all the outsiders who didn’t know much about the inner heartbeat of the Pistons. Why was he leaving? This is the man who had come in here nine seasons ago and turned the Pistons into something worth watching. Back-to-back NBA crowns, three consecutive trips to the NBA Finals, five straight visits to the Eastern Conference finals, three straight Central Division crowns. The most successful man to ever sit on the end of the bench. So why was he leaving?
"Because it’s just time," Daly said with a crooked smile spreading across his face. "It’s just time."
It was just time. That seemed to be enough to say. It was time to go because after nine long, often glorious years, the thrill was gone. The relationship between players and coach, coach and general manager, had simply run its course. It happens to the best ones sooner or later. It happened to Pat Riley in Los Angeles. It happened to Red Holzman in New York.
"After all this time, your voice loses a certain affect," Daly said. "How many times can a John Salley keep on listening to the same thing."
Detroit Free Press
"Daly’s coaching style leaves legacy," by Drew Sharp
There was one day following a practice at Oakland University that Daly and Salley were engaged in an apparently serious conversation. It had nothing to do with the game. They were comparing notes on how they liked their suits tailored. Chuck liked his pants cuffed.
That’s why Salley gave Daly the enduring moniker “Daddy Rich.”
"Albom on Daly’s resignation (1992)," by Mitch Albom
Of course, anyone who knew Daly understands Salley’s logic: Chuck made you feel good when he noticed you. True, he sometimes behaved as crudely as a barfly — in his time, he worked as a dishwasher, a bouncer, and a grunt in a leather factory, slapping hides in the lime pits. He also ate like a slob. I’m sorry, Chuck, but the first time I interviewed you, seven years ago, you slurped clam chowder all over yourself, your sleeves, your hands, and last time I watched you eat, last month, well, it wasn’t much better.
But having said that, I must add this: that was part of his charm. The regular guy from Punxsutawney, Pa., lurking beneath those expensive Italian suits, just longing to bust out for a whiskey with the boys and get really loose and loud. And Daly could get loud. He still does some of the best yelling in the NBA. He croaks. He roars. He waves his arms and bangs on tables and hollers, "AW, GIMME A BLEEPIN’ BREAK!"
Once, when Aguirre was tossing one bad shot after another, Daly grabbed the telephone from press row, lifted the receiver and screamed, "HEY MARK! IT’S THE CBA!" Another time, he came to practice after a particularly bad loss and bellowed: "Practice today will last only long enough to throw up!" There was the night he did a strenuous jump at a referee — and split his pants! We sat the rest of the game holding our sides laughing, because he didn’t know: Daddy Rich, Mr. GQ, with his underwear sticking out.
"Vincent on Daly’s induction into Hall of Fame (’94)," by Charlie Vincent
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. — It was not a question Chuck Daly wanted to answer, but the reporter persisted.
After all, the guy is almost 64 years old.
After all, he has been coaching since they used peach baskets for goals.
Since everyone wore black canvas tennis shoes. Since pencil-thin ties were in
style (and you can bet he had a closetful of them).
What, the reporter wanted to know, would Daly like as an epitaph?
"I really would rather not think about it," he said.
But he did, and he answered: "Nice guy. . . . I’d like to be known as a nice guy."
"Vincent on Daly’s ‘jersey’ retirement (’97)," by Charlie Vincent
And all the while, Daly showed off the expensive suits; the warm-up suits with the monogram CD on the chest, which stood not for Chuck Daly but for Christian Dior; the emotional bursts on the sidelines; the well-coiffed hair; an occasional touch of wry humor.
He showed, too, a genuine link with his players, most evident in his relationship with Rodman, whose behavior still troubles him.
"We raised him," Daly said. "He was always a friend. He was so easy to deal with, and now I’m a little concerned.
"I know a lot of what he does is pulling everyone’s leg. He told me that he’d learned rebounding isn’t enough. But this last incident, you just don’t do that. Those cameras are too close, that has been a bone of contention with me for a while, and if you see Michael Jordan hurt, you’ll see a whole different ballgame. Dennis was trying to keep from getting hurt and he was mad about it.
"But you just don’t do what he did."
Interestingly, while serving as a coaching-success bridge between Showtime Los Angeles Lakers coach Pat Riley and Zen Master Phil Jackson of the Chicago Bulls, Daly managed to avoid being named NBA Coach of the Year.
Such oversight often occurs when lesser talent is unexpectedly cajoled into reaching a level beyond mediocrity by another coach. Daly, who was within a whisker of steering the Pistons to a three-peat, was able to create a championship system built around the offensive gifts of Hall-of-Fame guard Isiah Thomas.
"College or Pros, Chuck Daly Won," by Matt Steinmetz
When I think of Daly, however, I don’t think of those "Bad Boys" Pistons teams or the ridiculously talented pro players he coached in Barcelona. No, I think of Chuck Daly every time I hear the argument that college coaches cannot succeed at the NBA level.
Daly coached the Penn Quakers from 1971 to 1976, and he ended up doing pretty well in the pros. If you can coach, you can coach. That’s what Daly was about.
True, Daly spent a few years as an NBA assistant before getting his first head coaching opportunity, but the fact remains that he had coached in high school and college for more than 20 years and only been a pro guy for three seasons when he got his first job.
From a Pistons release:
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – The Detroit Pistons and Palace Sports and Entertainment mourn the passing of Hall of Fame Coach Chuck Daly. The 78-year-old, who was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in February, passed away this morning in Jupiter, Florida on May 9 with his family by his side. Funeral arrangements are pending, but services will take place next week in Jupiter/Tequesta, Florida.
“The Daly family and the entire Detroit Pistons and Palace Sports and Entertainment family is mourning the loss of Chuck Daly,” family spokesman and Pistons Vice President of Public Relations Matt Dobek said. “Chuck left a lasting impression with everyone he met both personally and professionally and his spirit will live with all of us forever.”
Daly, who coached the Detroit Pistons to NBA Championships in 1989 and 1990, was dubbed by his Pistons’ players as “Daddy Rich,” for his dapper wardrobe. Daly also served as head coach of the Dream Team, the 1992 Gold-Medal winning USA Basketball Olympic Team, which has been acknowledged by many as the greatest basketball team ever assembled. He was inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 1994 and the number 2 (for those 2 NBA Championships) was retired in his honor by the Detroit Pistons in 1997.
The Kane, Pennsylvania native coached the Pistons for nine seasons and is the winningest coach in franchise history with a record of 467-271 (.633). He also coached Detroit to a franchise record 71 playoff wins during his tenure (71-42, .628). Named head coach on May 17, 1983, Daly finished his first year with a 49-33 mark and a postseason appearance. The Pistons reached the NBA Playoffs in each of his nine seasons, advancing to the Conference Finals five times with two Eastern Conference Championships (1989, 1990).
In 1990, the Pistons set the top two winning streaks in franchise history. During the months of January, February and March, the club won 13 games and then 12 in a row with only one loss in between. The 25-1 streak was the third-best streak in the history of the NBA during that time.
In addition to his Pistons coaching career, Daly also made NBA head coaching stops with the Cleveland Cavaliers, New Jersey Nets and Orlando Magic.
His 30-plus years of coaching success at all levels carried over into his Pistons position. Prior to joining Detroit, Daly spent four-plus seasons as an assistant to Billy Cunningham and the Philadelphia 76ers. The Sixers went 236-104 in the regular-season during those four-plus years, winning two division titles and finishing second twice.
In his six seasons (1971-77) as the head coach of the University of Pennsylvania, he compiled a 125-38 (.744) record and won four Ivy League titles. Daly led Penn to more NCAA berths and Big Five titles than any previous head coach in school history. He was the head coach at Boston College for two seasons (1969-71) and served as an assistant coach at Duke University for seven years (1963-69).
A graduate of Bloomsburg University, after starting his collegiate career at St. Bonaventure, Daly earned a Master’s Degree at Penn State and began his coaching career at Punxsutawney High School.
Daly is survived by his wife, Terry, his daughter, Cydney, and grandchildren Sebrina and Connor.
Joe Dumars’s statement:
My thoughts and prayers go out to Chuck’s family following the news of his passing,” said Dumars. “Chuck’s legacy will live on with all of the people he touched throughout his Hall of Fame career. He was a wonderful coach, mentor and friend to all of us.”
Manny Ramirez was suspended yesterday by Major League Baseball, apparently for steroid use.
There probably won’t be this type of uproar about a baseball player testing positive until Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey Jr. or Greg Maddux does.
But I don’t think it will be long until we’re startled by steroid use again.
Let me make this clear: I’m not saying LeBron James is on steroids.
But I’d be shocked if there weren’t a few NBA players who were.
James came into the NBA at 18, looking how he did on the left. Now, he’s 24 and the beast on the right. It’s reasonable he added all that strength naturally. I use James as the model not because there is any evidence he has taken steroids, but because he’s the model basketball player.
Look what he’s doing with his strength. He owns the league. Owns it. He does things on the court no player has ever done before. He should put an end to any thought that strength doesn’t help in basketball.
Here’s a quote from a 2005 Marc Stein column on steroids in basketball:
Adds Dallas Mavericks team physician Dr. Tarek Souryal: “Steroids is really a factor in power sports. Football. Baseball if you’re a power hitter. You’re not going to see it in hockey, in soccer, in basketball. When you’re playing every other night for 82 games, endurance is really what you’re after, and steroids actually hurt that.”
Tell me James doesn’t have power. And baseball players play every day, so playing every other day seems like it would even out the increased physical demands of basketball.
I can’t imagine no player has seen what LeBron is doing and thought he could reach (or get closer to) that level with steroids.
We should know better
Matt Watson of AOL FanHouse noted in a March article that the same early signs for steroids that appeared in baseball are popping up in the NBA.
(Stephen) Jackson has reportedly gained “10 pounds of muscle” (weighing a career-high 235 pounds) while posting the best numbers of his career and maintaining the stamina to lead the league in minutes per game — all the while being just weeks shy of his 31st birthday. Here are some excerpts from Hu’s article:
“I don’t know how he put on that much weight,” said Kelenna Azubuike, the Warriors’ resident bodybuilding champ. “But I guess it’s all muscle.”
[...] “This is the most I’ve lifted and the most I’ve been in the weight room my whole career, and it’s starting to pay off,” said Jackson, who usually plays at 222 or 223 pounds.
“I was thinking that I didn’t need it, but as I see now, it’s the most I’ve ever weighed in my life and I still have my speed, so it’s definitely helped my game a lot.”
[...] Warriors coach Don Nelson believes that Jackson’s increased strength has also helped his stamina. Jackson has played an NBA-high 40.3 minutes a night while being asked to do everything on offense and usually defend the best opposing player – regardless of size or position.
[...] “He’s like a monster now, there’s no calming him down,” Azubuike joked. “You can’t really tell him anything now. He’s got the muscle, that’s what he says.”
Until I read this article, I never would have suspected Jackson as a possible steroid user. Now that I’ve read it, I don’t have any proof he’s juicing but I certainly have more questions. (Other writers seem to agree.) Sudden weight gain? Check. Age-defying improvement? Check. Increased stamina? Check. Anecdotal evidence of a hot temper? Check and check.
There actually have been three steroid-related suspensions meted out by Stern’s office since 1998, when the NBA introduced steroid testing. Yet all three of the suspended players – Don MacLean, Matt Geiger and Soumaila Samake – insisted at the time that they had merely taken supplements that included banned substances while recovering from injuries.
And Darius Miles may have also tested positive for steroids, according to Jason Quick of The Oregonian. He’s the exact type of player who would be susceptible to steroid use — injured, lanky, athletic and facing a premature end to his career.
Just a matter of time
Here’s the kicker. I think it would work.
There was a time it was thought pitchers wouldn’t benefit from steroids. They’ve tested positive as often, if not more than, hitters.
There was a time it was thought just power hitters would benefit from steroids. Speed guys have tested positive, too.
There was a time it was thought steroids would make a player’s body deteriorate rapidly and almost immediately. Players have used steroids to help recovery from injury.
We’re in a time it’s thought steroids weren’t used in the NBA. How long until that becomes past tense, too?
Prince nearly misses
Tayshaun Prince received the 11th-most votes for the All-Defense Teams. Via the Free Press:
Center Dwight Howard, Orlando 55
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 53
Forward LeBron James, Cleveland 47
Guard Chris Paul, New Orleans 36
Forward Kevin Garnett, Boston 35
Center Tim Duncan, San Antonio 30
Guard Dwyane Wade, Miami 26
Guard Rajon Rondo, Boston 23
Forward Shane Battier, Houston 22
Forward Ron Artest, Houston 22
Others receiving votes (first-team votes in parentheses: Tayshaun Prince, Detroit, 15 (3); Raja Bell, Charlotte, 8 (2); Joel Przybilla, Portland, 7 (1); Chauncey Billups, Denver, 5; Ronnie Brewer, Utah, 5 (1); Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia, 5; Yao Ming, Houston, 5; Emeka Okafor, Charlotte, 5 (1); Kendrick Perkins, Boston, 4 (1); Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia, 3; Derek Fisher, L.A. Lakers, 3 (1); Udonis Haslem, Miami, 3; Jason Kidd, Dallas, 3 (1); Anderson Varejao, Cleveland, 3; Deron Williams, Utah, 3; Trevor Ariza, L.A. Lakers, 2; Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 2; Joe Johnson, Atlanta, 2 (1); Andrei Kirilenko, Utah, 2 (1); David Lee, New York, 2 (1); James Posey, New Orleans, 2; J.R. Smith, Denver, 2 (1); Gerald Wallace, Charlotte, 2; Nenê, Denver, 1; Chris Andersen, Denver, 1; Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers, 1; Antonio McDyess, Detroit, 1; Andre Miller, Philadelphia, 1; Travis Outlaw, Portland, 1; Brandon Roy, Portland, 1; Rasheed Wallace, Detroit, 1.
Some strange votes in there, but Prince came so close purely based on reputation. Same with Sheed. And the McDyess vote? That one is pretty surprising, too.
Pistons community happy for Bing
"I’m very happy for Dave," Dumars wrote in a text message Wednesday. "I think he’s going to do a great job.
"I’m also happy for the citizens of Detroit."
I’m excited not only for Dave, but for the city of Detroit. He’s doing this for all the right reasons. When you’re settled, when you’re in a good situation and you’re just going after a job because you think you can make a difference, to me you are the definition of a public servant. This guy has all the charisma, all the intelligence, all the decision-making capabilities and all the connections with the leaders, whether in business or politics, not just over our area, but our state and our country.
Detroiters elected former Piston Dave Bing their mayor yesterday.
Jemele Hill had a good piece on Bing last week. He was definitely the NBA-supported candidate.
Bing has more money than his opponent and more connections in the business world. Bing has raised almost $1 million, and Cockrel has taken in about $600,000. According to campaign finance records, NBA commissioner David Stern, former Pistons stars Isiah Thomas and Chauncey Billups, and Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert have given money to Bing’s campaign.
The NBA announced its All-Defensive Teams today. For the first time since the 2000-01 season, the Pistons have no members.
Pistons on All-defensive teams since 2002-03
2007-08: Tayshaun Prince (second team)
2006-07: Prince (second)
2005-06: Ben Wallace (first), Chauncey Billups (second) and Prince (second)
2004-05: Wallace (first), Billups (second) and Prince (second)
2003-04: Wallace (first)
2002-03: Wallace (first)
2001-02: Wallace (first) and Clifford Robinson (second)
SLAM contributor J. Gamble [making his debut with us next issue] hears from a close personal friend of Rasheed Wallace’s that unless Sheed gets $8 million to play next year, he’s going to retire. If that’s true, we’ve probably seen the last of Sheed in the NBA.
Maybe this is what Wallace thinks now. But my guess is he will play next season and for fewer than $8 million.
Hamilton for Thabeet (or Hill, DeRozan or Harden)
Royce Young of Daily Thunder ponders what it would take to get Richard Hamilton. He comes up with expiring contracts and Oklahoma City’s first-round draft pick:
But again, Hamilton’s not a free agent. You’ve got to give up something to get him. Detroit wants to clean house, but they don’t want dirt in return. They’re going to want something worth their while. So let me pose the scenario:
OKC gets the No. 4 pick in the draft. Nobody’s willing to deal for the Thunder to move into Griffin/Rubio territory. Do you trade Chucky Atkins and Earl Watson (ESPN Trade Machine says YES!) but they’re going to want more) plus your first round pick for Rip Hamilton? Basically, you’re trading James Harden/Hasheem Thabeet/Demar DeRozen for Hamilton and his five-year, $11M contract. Is that a worthy trade? Obviously, Sam Presti was willing to take on Tyson Chandler’s $11M per, so taking on Rip’s wouldn’t hurt him that much. The only thing is that the move feels a little out of character for Presti. It’s not that slow, patient, well-executed, well-conceived deal that’s “all part of the plan.” It’s a bit more abrupt, more aggressive and more bold. I don’t know if that’s like him. It’s sort of high risk, high reward instead of low risk, high reward.
Maybe I’m setting the price too high and the Thunder could trade their late first rounder or maybe even next year’s unprotected No. 1. Maybe. I don’t know how Joe Dumars is thinking. I do know he’s trying to dump salary for 2010. And Chucky Atkins and Earl Watson have expiring contracts… But I’d assume he’d ask for this year’s top pick. If not, then bully for us.
This trade definitely intrigues me. This draft is short on big men, so a trade like this might be the only way to get one — unless B.J. Mullens falls to 15.
As I’ve said with the Billups trade: better a year too early than a year too late. Hamilton has value now, but will he next offseason?
I believe the Thunder have the cap room to take back Hamilton without Detroit having to take Atkins or Watkins. So, that’s a plus for the Pistons.
??? for Chris Paul
Drew Sharp of the Detroit Free Press writes Detroit could be in position to get Chris Paul. He doesn’t give any specifics on players, but the numbers seem to work out.
Paul is the game’s best point guard. He has a four-year, $63.6-million contract extension kicking in next season that the Hornets cannot afford unless they part with most of his high-priced supporting cast — center Tyson Chandler, perimeter bomber Peja Stojakovic, power forward David West and valuable sixth man James Posey.
This is a pipe dream. It’s that supporting cast that’s much more likely to get moved.
Obviously, posting has been sporadic lately. I had to take some time to make sure I graduated. (I still need to get one more grade, but I’m pretty sure I made it).
But posting will more frequent now. It should be a busy offseason, so check back to keep up on the latest Pistons news. I’ll have some more Pistons history posts, too.
Also, I want to retool some things before the season. So, if you have any suggestions for coverage, please send me an e-mail at [email protected]. Let me know what’d you like to see more of less of, or what you like, so I don’t tinker with it.