Comments on: It doesn’t end with Manny http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/05/it-doesn%e2%80%99t-end-with-manny/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 06:10:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/05/it-doesn%e2%80%99t-end-with-manny/comment-page-1/#comment-482 Dan Feldman Tue, 12 May 2009 17:08:40 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1688#comment-482 Jason, I use the LeBron as the model player and the model for adding strength. No player has ever played with his strength and quickness before. Jason,

I use the LeBron as the model player and the model for adding strength. No player has ever played with his strength and quickness before.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/05/it-doesn%e2%80%99t-end-with-manny/comment-page-1/#comment-481 Dan Feldman Tue, 12 May 2009 17:07:28 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1688#comment-481 Rawshark, Another quote from that Stein article (from an anonymous NBA trainer): "In the basketball culture, players want to be long and athletic. They want to be lean, and they would be fearful that added bulk would affect their lateral quickness." So, yes, I think there is a thought strength won't help. I think there is (was?) a concern adding bulk would hurt NBA players. LeBron is proving that's not true. Maybe he's doing it naturally. But why wouldn't others try to get the same results through steroids? And as far as Miles, it's mysterious because the NBA never announced a third marijuana violation. He was trying to come back from an injury and save his career, so it's certainly possible it was steroids. Rawshark,

Another quote from that Stein article (from an anonymous NBA trainer): “In the basketball culture, players want to be long and athletic. They want to be lean, and they would be fearful that added bulk would affect their lateral quickness.” So, yes, I think there is a thought strength won’t help.

I think there is (was?) a concern adding bulk would hurt NBA players. LeBron is proving that’s not true. Maybe he’s doing it naturally. But why wouldn’t others try to get the same results through steroids?

And as far as Miles, it’s mysterious because the NBA never announced a third marijuana violation. He was trying to come back from an injury and save his career, so it’s certainly possible it was steroids.

]]> By: Jason http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/05/it-doesn%e2%80%99t-end-with-manny/comment-page-1/#comment-468 Jason Sun, 10 May 2009 02:48:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1688#comment-468 You ought to have left Lebron out of it. Two photos six years apart, the first when the guy was 18? That's nothing out of the ordinary. I know he just trashed your team in the playoffs.... Now get photos of Stephen Jackson one season apart and we can start talking. You ought to have left Lebron out of it. Two photos six years apart, the first when the guy was 18? That’s nothing out of the ordinary. I know he just trashed your team in the playoffs….

Now get photos of Stephen Jackson one season apart and we can start talking.

]]> By: Rawshark http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/05/it-doesn%e2%80%99t-end-with-manny/comment-page-1/#comment-467 Rawshark Sat, 09 May 2009 23:35:36 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1688#comment-467 Speaking as a Pistons fan who hates Lebron, the use of his photo, despite your transparent explanation, is very misleading. It was obvious from watching him play at age 18 that he had the physical frame to pack on muscle. It's the same thing college football coaches look for when scouting high school players. Which is likely why every major football program was scouting Lebron as a WR/TE. As for Lebron putting an end "to any thought that strength doesn’t help in basketball"- that's a nice straw-man. What rational person actually believes this? Every era of basketball had its share of freakishly strong players, and every championship team, including our beloved Pistons had it's share of players whose main asset was brute strength. The thing with steroid use (and HGH use) is that there are telltale physical signs that are apparent on sight- such as increased vascularity, gynecomastia, even changes in skull shape. None of these are apparent in Lebron James or Stephen Jackson. Even with baseball pitchers, the physical progression of players like Roger Clemens and Kevin Brown made steroid use obvious to any objective observer. The reason it wasn't detected was because MLB clubs chose to look the other way. None of this is to say that there isn't any steroid use in basketball, it's just that the argument in your post is poorly constructed. The Darius Miles example is particularly annoying and dishonest. Clicking through the article, the only indication that he was a steroid user was that he received a ten game suspension, which is what is doled out for use of performance enhancing drugs or a fourth violation of the marijuana policy. Gee, I wonder which one is the reason Darius Miles was suspended. I really do like your blog, which is why I'm posting this. You can definitely do better than posts like this. Speaking as a Pistons fan who hates Lebron, the use of his photo, despite your transparent explanation, is very misleading. It was obvious from watching him play at age 18 that he had the physical frame to pack on muscle. It’s the same thing college football coaches look for when scouting high school players. Which is likely why every major football program was scouting Lebron as a WR/TE. As for Lebron putting an end “to any thought that strength doesn’t help in basketball”- that’s a nice straw-man. What rational person actually believes this? Every era of basketball had its share of freakishly strong players, and every championship team, including our beloved Pistons had it’s share of players whose main asset was brute strength.

The thing with steroid use (and HGH use) is that there are telltale physical signs that are apparent on sight- such as increased vascularity, gynecomastia, even changes in skull shape. None of these are apparent in Lebron James or Stephen Jackson. Even with baseball pitchers, the physical progression of players like Roger Clemens and Kevin Brown made steroid use obvious to any objective observer. The reason it wasn’t detected was because MLB clubs chose to look the other way.

None of this is to say that there isn’t any steroid use in basketball, it’s just that the argument in your post is poorly constructed. The Darius Miles example is particularly annoying and dishonest. Clicking through the article, the only indication that he was a steroid user was that he received a ten game suspension, which is what is doled out for use of performance enhancing drugs or a fourth violation of the marijuana policy. Gee, I wonder which one is the reason Darius Miles was suspended.

I really do like your blog, which is why I’m posting this. You can definitely do better than posts like this.

]]> By: thewordkeeper http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/05/it-doesn%e2%80%99t-end-with-manny/comment-page-1/#comment-464 thewordkeeper Sat, 09 May 2009 03:32:45 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1688#comment-464 With the right weight training, nutrition and supplements it is very possible to gain a good deal of muscle in a few months time. The 3 guys, in the url's below, were 3 of the 1997 champions of the "Body for Life" program; started by founder Bill Phillips. I include the 1997 photos because this is when i first became familiar with the program. http://bodyforlife.com/challenge/champions/1997/bio.asp?comp=anthony_ellis http://bodyforlife.com/challenge/champions/1997/bio.asp?comp=jeff_seidman http://bodyforlife.com/challenge/champions/1997/bio.asp?comp=brad_wadlow With the right weight training, nutrition and supplements it is very possible to gain a good deal of muscle in a few months time. The 3 guys, in the url’s below, were 3 of the 1997 champions of the “Body for Life” program; started by founder Bill Phillips. I include the 1997 photos because this is when i first became familiar with the program.

http://bodyforlife.com/challenge/champions/1997/bio.asp?comp=anthony_ellis

http://bodyforlife.com/challenge/champions/1997/bio.asp?comp=jeff_seidman

http://bodyforlife.com/challenge/champions/1997/bio.asp?comp=brad_wadlow

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/05/it-doesn%e2%80%99t-end-with-manny/comment-page-1/#comment-458 Dan Feldman Sat, 09 May 2009 03:16:37 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1688#comment-458 Are you a baseball fan, too? I thought this Jason Whitlock article about how steroids are different by sport was interesting. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/story/1184928.html The sport doesn't make a difference to me. I'm a big baseball fan, but I don't see it as on a pedestal above other sports. Are you a baseball fan, too? I thought this Jason Whitlock article about how steroids are different by sport was interesting.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/story/1184928.html

The sport doesn’t make a difference to me. I’m a big baseball fan, but I don’t see it as on a pedestal above other sports.

]]> By: brgulker http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/05/it-doesn%e2%80%99t-end-with-manny/comment-page-1/#comment-457 brgulker Fri, 08 May 2009 13:17:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1688#comment-457 Well, thanks for starting this day off with a bang... I'm depressed now. If basketball is tainted by steroids, then I may just have to quit being a fan. Well, thanks for starting this day off with a bang… I’m depressed now. If basketball is tainted by steroids, then I may just have to quit being a fan.

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