Comments on: Why Tayshaun Prince won’t be a Piston next year

By: zork

zork — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:47:06 +0000

Poster above who said to get Artest is right. He owns James, because he is strong and wide enough to stop James’ bull rush, the foundation of his game.

By: Piston Powered » Blog Archive » Redefining an era

Piston Powered » Blog Archive » Redefining an era — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:59:03 +0000

[...] Wallace and Antonio McDyess are free agents. Tayshaun Prince fits the profile of players Dumars dumps. And this info from Chris Broussard of ESPN indicates Richard Hamilton’s [...]

By: Brian

Brian — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:04:32 +0000

I was looking through that Basketball Reference page, and what is funny is that Ben Wallace had the best defensive rating of all time in 2003-2004, and he didn’t even win the NBA defensive player of the year, that year.

By: Brian

Brian — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:32:18 +0000

Tay will be on the hook for a little over 21 million these next two years, and at this stage of his career, I’m not even sure if he is a starter in this league. On a real good team, I could see him as a perfect bench player. A guy who can play multiple positions, bring the ball up the court, high bball IQ, and a good defender historically. But, his salary is too expensive to put him in that role. I fear we are kind of stuck with him in this role b/c only an idiotic GM would take him and that salary when he is a below average starter-at best- in this league. He would be a great bench player, but with the cap, who could afford that?

And, to whoever was questioning Hollinger, his stats are mostly gold. Their will always be some problems with stats, but for the most part, they are very indicative of a player’s level of play for that season. MLB has some great stats, and slowly, the NBA and NHL are trying to catch up. The NFL, in that regard is a little behind the other sports, particularly with offensive lineman stats, and defensive stats.

By: Zack Slabotsky

Zack Slabotsky — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:55:11 +0000

The Pistons were 29th in pace, but I think they would shoot up that list if Curry had his druthers. The problem is that Rasheed, Tayshaun, and McDyess are almost exclusively halfcourt players. If those players leave the team, I’d imagine the Pistons will try to push the tempo.
As far as the Golden State idea, I don’t think either of the guys you named is the type of player Joe Dumars targets. Crawford is a shoot-first player and a horrific defender. Meanwhile, Maggette has developed a reputation as one of the most selfish players in the league. He’s an extraordinary talent (he gets to the FT line as well as anyone), but he averaged fewer than two assists per game this season. It’s not going to be easy to find a workable trade, but unless Biedrins or Randolph is made available, I think Dumars can do much better than anything GS has to offer. Also, could you really imagine Don Nelson and Prince co-existing? Their styles are polar opposites.

By: Steve

Steve — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:19:22 +0000

Good article. I enjoy reading your blog.

I’ve thought the same things this season. Tayshaun is getting completly destroyed by LeBron in this series. Yeah, yeah he’s injured, but still.

But Tayshaun for Jamal Crawford or Corey Maggette? Yikes. Crawford is a born loser and jacks up shots like crazy, and Maggette has a ridiculousy large contract.

I’m all for trading Tayshaun for Bosh, if possible. Maybe Tay+Amir+Sharpe+picks for Bosh. Will it be enough? I don’t know.

Here’s a though though: What about signing Ron Artest? That guy is still very good defensively, has the size to check Lebron & Pierce, would be cheap, and can play the 3 different positions.

By: brgulker

brgulker — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:51:51 +0000

@ Dan:

Two things I can’t help but wonder after reading this, one an argument for keeping Tay, the other an argument for trading him.

1) This season, barring a miracle that won’t happen, we’re getting bounced from the Playoffs after only 4 games. That hasn’t happened in Tay’s career.

Is it possible that a long offseason — the first he’ll ever have had — could rejuvinate his aching body? Heck, maybe the guy’s hurt a lot worse than he or the staff have let on — we don’t really know. Maybe a summer off does wonders for him.

2) CB has clearly been rejuvinated after being traded to Denver, his home town. The CB we’ve seen against N.O. this year is not the same CB that Detroit saw in the ECF the past several seasons.

It seems that the trade was good for both of us. CB is thriving, and I’ve loved watching it.

And although we don’t yet know what AI’s cap space will turn into, but there is reason to be optimistic. A lot of teams will be scrambling to get under the shrinking/holding salary cap, and we’re one of the only teams with a big chunk of financial flexibility.

Clearly, Tay has trade value (as long as other GM’s ignore your blog!), and his contract’s not unreasonable. Isn’t it possible that we could get one or even two better players (who have bigger contracts) for a quality player like Tay (who has a reasonable contract)?

Obviously, you would agree he’s gone next season — but what do you think we can get for him?

And, do you think he’s traded this summer? Or, does Joe wait to see what the summer does for him?

By: John Galt

John Galt — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:36:43 +0000

The PER rewards players who

1. play a lot of minutes
2. Score a lot of points on very few shots.

If you don’t play much or never have the ball passed to you on offense your PER will be very low.

However if you look at basketball-reference.com offensive and defensive rating you get a slightly different picture.

Offensive Rating followed by Defensive Rating 2008-09

Johnson – Reg Season 120-105 Playoffs 203-119
Maxiell – Reg Season 120-108 Playoffs 165-122
McDyess – Reg Season 115-104 Playoffs 92-112
Wallace – Reg Season 107-103 Playoffs 122-119
Brown – Reg Season 106-105 Playoffs 80-119
Prince – Reg Season 110-110 Playoffs 60-123
Hamilton – Reg Season 108-112 Playoffs 94-121
Stuckey – Reg Season 104-110 Playoffs 98-126
Bynum – Reg Sesason 103-109 Playoffs 102-114
Afflalo – Reg Season 107-110 Playoffs 99 – 122

The main difference between the PER and the offensive and defensive rating numbers are

1. The PER rewards invidual play on offense only. It disregards defense
2. The PER does not take into accout how the player you are guarding does
3. The PER does not take into account how your team does when you are on the court
4. The PER rewards those who play more minutes whereas the the Off and Def Ratings are minutes nuetral

The PER is basically an offensive and rebounding statistic that is based upon the numbers that a player puts up in those categories and ignores how the player that you are guarding does against you and ignores how your team does when you are on the court.

The Offensive and Defensive Ratings are more meaningful than the PER.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/afflaar01.html

By: Dan Feldman

Dan Feldman — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:36:14 +0000

Zack, I’m not sure if I agree about Prince not fitting in Curry’s system. Detroit was 29th in pace this year, hardly a fastbreak team. But the point about Prince having value (hopefully for the Pistons) still holds true.

This is a bit of a stab in the dark. But what about Prince to Golden State for Jamal Crawford or Corey Maggette and maybe another small piece?

By: Dan Feldman

Dan Feldman — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:20:46 +0000

F7, I half agree. I think Prince’s role has definitely hurt him offensively.

But what about defensively? He was asked to guard the superstars of the league, and his ability to do that well has shrunk. That’s what concerns me most. I can’t find any logical reason for that drop.

And I hope you look the blog. Keep the comments coming. I love these discussions.