Comments on: NBA and Pistons Awards http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/04/nba-and-pistons-awards/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:56:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/04/nba-and-pistons-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-280 Dan Feldman Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:23:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1544#comment-280 I agree team factors play a lot into individual efficiency ratings. But LeBron got himself and and a player like Varejao onto both lists. Nash has some Suns in on offense, and Brandon Roy has some Trailblazers there, too. And the defensive side is littered with Celtics and Rockets. But LeBron got himself and others onto to both lists, and that's impressive. As far as the other rankings, I agree they're more relevant on an individual basis. LeBrons rankings in each of those: PER: first Offensive win shares: first Defensive win shares: second Win shares: first No matter how you cut it, I think he's the MVP. Those rankings have been talked about. I was just throwing another positive out there. I agree team factors play a lot into individual efficiency ratings. But LeBron got himself and and a player like Varejao onto both lists.

Nash has some Suns in on offense, and Brandon Roy has some Trailblazers there, too.

And the defensive side is littered with Celtics and Rockets.

But LeBron got himself and others onto to both lists, and that’s impressive.

As far as the other rankings, I agree they’re more relevant on an individual basis. LeBrons rankings in each of those:

PER: first
Offensive win shares: first
Defensive win shares: second
Win shares: first

No matter how you cut it, I think he’s the MVP. Those rankings have been talked about. I was just throwing another positive out there.

]]> By: Doc B http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/04/nba-and-pistons-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-279 Doc B Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:09:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1544#comment-279 Really? I don't think it passes the eye test at all. Yes, it includes some good offensive players. But Troy Murphy at #9? Nene at #10? Rudy Fernandez (doesn't even start, not considered by anyone for 6th man of the year) at #11? Steve Blaker at #13? Marvin Williams at #16? Derek Fisher at #18? Varejao at #20? This statistic seems to be based WAY too much on team-wide efficiency, and have very little to do with individual efficiency or effectiveness. There are 3 Blazers in the top 20, 2 Lakers (No Kobe), and 4 Suns. Not a good measure to use for MVP, IMO. PER would seem to be better, or maybe a combo of offensive and defensive win shares I guess. Really? I don’t think it passes the eye test at all. Yes, it includes some good offensive players. But Troy Murphy at #9? Nene at #10? Rudy Fernandez (doesn’t even start, not considered by anyone for 6th man of the year) at #11? Steve Blaker at #13? Marvin Williams at #16? Derek Fisher at #18? Varejao at #20?

This statistic seems to be based WAY too much on team-wide efficiency, and have very little to do with individual efficiency or effectiveness. There are 3 Blazers in the top 20, 2 Lakers (No Kobe), and 4 Suns.

Not a good measure to use for MVP, IMO. PER would seem to be better, or maybe a combo of offensive and defensive win shares I guess.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/04/nba-and-pistons-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-278 Dan Feldman Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:02:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1544#comment-278 Just glancing at the top couple of players in each category, the statistic passes the eye test. Pau Gasol and Chris Paul are the two of the best offensive players in the league. And Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett seem like two of the league's best defenders. And that's the point, Varejao isn't that good. But he has played a high majority of his minutes with LeBron, and that has made him look a lot better. The top 20 can be found here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009_leaders.html Just glancing at the top couple of players in each category, the statistic passes the eye test. Pau Gasol and Chris Paul are the two of the best offensive players in the league. And Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett seem like two of the league’s best defenders.

And that’s the point, Varejao isn’t that good. But he has played a high majority of his minutes with LeBron, and that has made him look a lot better.

The top 20 can be found here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009_leaders.html

]]> By: Doc B http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/04/nba-and-pistons-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-277 Doc B Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:48:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1544#comment-277 I think it says more about the questionability (not a word) of the statistic. Anderson Varejao? He's what, the 6th best offensive player on the Cavs? I think it says more about the questionability (not a word) of the statistic. Anderson Varejao? He’s what, the 6th best offensive player on the Cavs?

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/04/nba-and-pistons-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-276 Dan Feldman Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:46:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1544#comment-276 Of course, efficiency ratings aren't the be-all, end-all. But they are telling. And doesn't it say a lot about LeBron that he can make a player like Varejao look that good? Of course, efficiency ratings aren’t the be-all, end-all. But they are telling.

And doesn’t it say a lot about LeBron that he can make a player like Varejao look that good?

]]> By: Doc B http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/04/nba-and-pistons-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Doc B Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:41:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=1544#comment-275 The fact that Anderson Varejao is a "more efficient" offensive player than Kobe Bryant leads me to believe that perhaps this isn't the measure by which you should be judging your MVP. The fact that Anderson Varejao is a “more efficient” offensive player than Kobe Bryant leads me to believe that perhaps this isn’t the measure by which you should be judging your MVP.

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